Nothing like ADG's fair and balanced... oops....
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The Romney ad claims that as governor, “Romney had the best jobs record in a decade.” Yes — Massachusetts added more net jobs during Romney’s four years in office than during the four-year period of either his predecessor or successor. But — that ignores the national recessions before and after Romney’s time in office. If you look at how Massachusetts stacked up on job creation compared with other states, Romney actually fared worse than his predecessor and successor.
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The ad claims Romney “reduced unemployment to just 4.7 percent.” Yes — Massachusetts’ unemployment rate went from 5.6 percent to 4.6 percent under Romney. But — the state’s unemployment rate was slightly lower than the national rate when he took office, and was roughly the same as the national rate when he left office.
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The ad claims Romney “balanced every budget without raising taxes.” Yes — Romney never raised personal income taxes. But — in order to balance the budget, Romney increased government fees by hundreds of millions of dollars.
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factcheck. org/2012/06/romneys-jobs-record-is-best-or-worst/

"We’ve created 4.3 million jobs over the past 27 months. The private sector is doing fine. Where we’re seeing problems is with state and local government, often with cuts initiated by governors or mayors who are not getting the kind of help they’re accustomed to from the federal government."
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The president was talking about jobs and the current problem IS with public sector jobs and this is due to Republican governors and local officials flexing their European austerity muscles.. It matters not to them to lay off teachers, firemen, and police officers.. It swells the ranks of the unemployed and makes the president look bad..
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They complain about loss of revenue as they give tax breaks and loopholes to the wealthy "job creators".. So where are the jobs..??? In the meantime, these laid-off public workers quit making purchases they would normally make - less sales tax, property taxes, state fees, etc. which further constrains state budgets leading to more layoffs.. BUT it makes the president look bad - which IS the Republican plan..
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This would be Romney's policy.. Smaller government, smaller budgets, more tax breaks for the wealthy, keep wages low, keep people under the heel of corporate power as they take total control of our government and the economy.. That's the Republican master plan..
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The problem now IS the public sector but watch what it will MEAN for the private sector..!!!

Republicans have this strong belief and media spin that the less people have to spend... More businesses will pop up, business will hire, investors will create.... And they can accomplish this without any customers. Who needs consumers? In fact, all employees should work for less money.... Poof, problem solved!
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Kinda makes you wonder how the republicans managed to create "the big bubble". huh?

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They need to review their Econ 101 Cliff Notes..!!! That's for sure..!!!

Wingnut Aimee says...... Romney says he wants "Smaller government, smaller budgets" Wouldn't that put MORE MONEY in PEOPLE's pockets? More money to spend? Public sector Jobs TAKE MONEY OUT OF OUR POCKETS.

Hey you two wingnuts, Obama will go to any length to protect his butt. Let's see you spin this. Don't give me your standard BS about right wing websites aren't credible.
No doubt employment numbers will continue to get better with the Obama Regime controlling the source of numbers. By Nov. we will probably have 4% unemployment. Obama can't allow transparency we would find out just what this Administration has been up to.
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Wake up People Obama's incrementally taking away our constitutional rights.
breitbart. com/Big-Government/2012/06/08/Obama-Labor-Dept-Forces-Journalists-to-Use-Government-Issued-Computers

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Smaller government and budgets put LESS money in people's pockets... The government programs put money into real people's hands who will spend it... This creates the need for more goods which leads for to more jobs...
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If you take the programs away... OH, shoot..!!! I already said all this..!!!
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The president was talking about jobs and the current problem IS with public sector jobs and this is due to Republican governors and local officials flexing their European austerity muscles.. It matters not to them to lay off teachers, firemen, and police officers.. It swells the ranks of the unemployed and makes the president look bad..
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They complain about loss of revenue as they give tax breaks and loopholes to the wealthy "job creators".. So where are the jobs..??? In the meantime, these laid-off public workers quit making purchases they would normally make - less sales tax, property taxes, state fees, etc. which further constrains state budgets leading to more layoffs.. BUT it makes the president look bad - which IS the Republican plan..
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This would be Romney's policy.. Smaller government, smaller budgets, more tax breaks for the wealthy, keep wages low, keep people under the heel of corporate power as they take total control of our government and the economy.. That's the Republican master plan..
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The problem now IS the public sector but watch what it will MEAN for the private sector..!!!.

Aimee says.....In the meantime, these laid-off public workers quit making purchases they would normally make - less sales tax, property taxes, state fees, etc. which further constrains state budgets leading to more layoffs.. BUT it makes the president look bad - which IS the Republican plan..
Public sector workers received their money from tax revenue. Did not the private sector wage earners have to first earn the money and pay their taxes for public-sector workers to receive their salaries, benefits and the money with which to pay their taxes and to make purchases. Why should public sector workers have job security when the private sector doesn't?

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So how might private sector workers get the same "job security"..??? I believe you know the answer if you will admit it...

Oh! I have the answer to that! Join A Union!

Aimee - The government is not your baby daddy, get off your lazy psycho butt and work for a living and get off the Osama tit

Buffett and most economists agree that public spending boosts the economy when the private sector spending is down. Aimee seems to think that the government should just run everything. We know from the experience with the Soviet Union that government indeed should not run everything and that the economy does better in a capitalist system. The rightwingers seem to want pur capitalism with little government interference. Then there are those of us who believe that a middle ground of capitalism buffered with reasonable government regulations and that government expenditures can be beneficial and necessary to benefit the economy. While President Obama is to the left of me, he really occupies this middle ground. Most of his economic decisions have been prudent, and we are better off today than when he took office. Obama also has slowed the growth of government and started backing us out of the ridiculous amount of military spending while still protecting our interests through drones and espionage. Romney seeks to lift environmental restrictions and financial regulations, cut education and social programs for the middle class and poor, while keeping low taxes on the superwealthy. Romney as President will just divide this country further.

If federal government spending were so great, then Greece would be a superpower.

A balanced budget rule would be more prudent and a compromise between socialism and austerity. "Socialism" is not a bad word in Europe - I was recently there and the political ads for the left advocated voting for "socialism" as opposed to "austerity".

"The government is not your baby daddy", "Aimee seems to think that the government should just run everything", and "If federal government spending were so great"..????
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Do you all know what you are talking about..??? Look at this chart that shows private sector jobs and public sector jobs... Do you see that there were more private sector jobs prior to the Economic Meltdown (Thanks again, Republicans)..???
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talkingpointsmemo. com/archives/2012/06/obama_and_private_sector_jobs.php?ref=fpblg
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After the Meltdown there was a sudden drop in private sector jobs but public sector remained pretty much the same... Then, after the 2010 election and onece we get past the 2010 Census "spike" public sector jobs begin falling as the private sector continues to rise...
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Now, according to YOU we need to get rid of these public sector jobs so it will be more in line with the private sector... Never mind that these people are contributing to the economy, they are buying groceries, going to movies, getting their hair done, buying refrigerators... Never mind ---THEY work for the "evil" government, so of course let's fire them from their jobs so they can join the misery of the private sector...
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NOW, with THEM unemployed too, we have even less people to buy groceries, go to movies, gett their hair done, or buy refrigerators, SOOOooooo we will have a new round of firing people who....wait for it......."work in grocery stores", "work in movie theatres", "work in beauty salons", "make or sell refrigerators"... NOW, aren't you HAPPPY..??????
You've managed to PULL EVEN MORE PEOPLE DOWN to your level...!!!
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"Misery loves company", right..??? Let's have "an eye for an eye" and let "the whole world go blind" as Gandhi said..!!!

Here's a headline from Investors Business Daily: "Private Jobs Down 4.6 Million From January 2008; Federal Jobs Up 11.4%"

"Private-sector jobs are still down by 4.6 million, or 4%, from January 2008, when overall employment peaked. Meanwhile government jobs are down just 407,000, or 1.8%. Federal employment actually is 225,000 jobs above its January 2008 level, an 11.4% increase. That’s right, up 11.4%."

This is public knowledge - that's why BO had to backtrack on his lyin' a$$ comments.
Again, if continually increasing federal spending were the answer, Greece would be a superpower. Greece is in the toilet and that's where we are headed.

Corporate profit to GDP is at the highest level on record. Sounds like somebody is doing fine. Guess the companies not making record profits want a bail out or something. They want capitalism until the ole checkbook opens up in Washington. Then EVERYBODY gets in line.

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The debate is over Public v. Private Sector jobs... You are throwing in statistics about Federal jobs only... You need to include state and local government jobs too if you are going to call the president a liar because he had commented on the Public Sector (all employees) NOT the Federal Sector..!!!

aimmee capitalism has been around as far as history has been recorded and it still works.if you read history you will see where socialism has never worked.under socialism people have no incentive and same goes for private sector vs public.a private sector worker is more productive than a public sector worker.if we lived in your world the trashman and the doctor would be paid the same and live in the same size house driving the same car.what incentive would one have to go to school and work hard when they can just sit at home posting bs like you do all day and still get paid.

It is said that it takes at least 3 private sector workers to fund 1 public sector worker, so until Obama puts the private sector back to work the local governments can't afford more people - even if the federal government is subsidizing the local public workers with Porkulus Money.

Tortitude,

Greece's problems have more to do with a workforce which does not want to work much, and widespread tax fraud and corruption among the rich. They need to crack down on both in the manner in which Jerry Brown is taxing the rich and cutting spending in California. If the far right and the far left in this country would be reasonable, the deficit would not be a problem. You could raise tax rates on the multimillionaires slightly and nip and tuck at spending in a fashion which does not send us into a deeper recession. This is pretty much what Obama has been trying to accomplish, but the Republicans have not been cooperative in trying to compromise.

Sorry but Obama doesn't "put private sector back to work". The great "job creators" claim to do that. But when they don't they blame the president. They want it both ways.

Populist said the following in lower case and I respond in caps: "Greece's problems have more to do with a workforce which does not want to work much" GOSH WE HAVE THAT HERE TOO - THAT'S WHY WE CAN HIRE SO VERY MANY GUBMENT WORKERS AND NOT EVEN GET THE JOB DONE THEN, "and widespread tax fraud" YES, WE HAVE THAT HERE TOO WITH AN IRS THAT TARGETS POLITICAL ENEMIES OF OBAMA INSTEAD OF REAL CHEATS, "and corruption among the rich" OH MY YES, LIKE RICH FOLKS WITH THEIR ASSETS OVERSEAS AND CORPORATIONS LIKE GE, APPLE, GOOGLE AND OTHERS WHO PAY LITTLE OR NO TAXES - NO US TAXES! AT LEAST WAL-MART WITH ALL ITS FAULTS PAYS US TAXES. POPULIST'S PAL WARREN BUFFET IS SO BAD THAT HE'S GOING TO THE MAT AND IS OR WILL BE ON TRIAL FOR FAILURE TO PAY TAXES. YES, POP, WE SOUND JUST LIKE GREECE. GREECE HAS THE CHUTZPAH TO CLAIM THAT'S IT'S GERMANY'S FAULT THEY ARE BROKE NOW SINCE THE NAZIS STOLE $200 MILLION DURING WWII. PATHETIC.

Tortitude I'll respond in caps too. WE ARE MORE BROKE THAN GREECE, TOO!

Tortitude,

You have been watching too much Fox News. The IRS is really not very political in its enforcement practices. Those people are pretty much apolitical and survive from administration to administration. I don't think that there has been political targeting of audits since Nixon. (Now the tax breaks and loopholes are another story.)

Tortitude,

I have been to Greece. It is oh so lovely. My 10 year old is looking over my shoulder and telling me that you should go to Santorini. He is now laughing....So Sorry, I've forgotten my point...

Aimee....you only confuse them when you use facts...........stop it!!!

Let them continue to fall for this moneychangers deceptions and that he is on their side and looking out for them. After four years of him, they will wish for relief from what he plans to do to this country once he gets their vote. There is a reason Jesus drove the moneychangers out of the temple,
but remember who let them in there in the first place.......and who's tactic is deception??

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Capitalist countries have public sector jobs too..!!! Highway construction is not "productive"..??? How strange..??? And even garbage men contribute to our society... As far as his salary goes, you suggestion is asinine..!!! A "living wage" is a base wage... It would go UP from their to include your doctor..!!!
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So, which public sector jobs do YOU think should be eliminated at a faster rate than is now occurring..???
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My facts just aren't as entertaining as their Fox News "faux facts"..!!!

Lots of political psychology being pumped unto the American people. But the American people did not cause the financial crisis! The American people are the victims! Wall Street destroyed the economy and the victims bailed them out! Wall Street is doing just fine! But the American family's net worth dropped by nearly 40% from $126,400 to $77,300. The American median family's income was already edging down but continued to decline from $49,600 to $45,800. Corporate America (multinationals) repaid its victims by raising retail prices and tossing about 9 million jobs overseas. And not only did it sink the American family but also the country's revenue which added to the debt. The corporate tax breaks added to the debt. But if you listen to all the political media rhetoric... It is the people to blame! It is the teachers, the fire fighter, the policemen and any worker that will not take a forced bargain wage...
Which is no more than reverse psychology and if you let them... They will come back and do it again! And once again it will be on the backs of the American people. Oh, did I mention that Wall Street and these multinationals are doing just fine? "It's the economy, stupid."
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Of course, Reason is absolutely right. The middle class and working people have been totally screwed by Wall Street and the politicians over the last couple of decades. The megarich have been getting richer and richer, and the divide is very unhealthy for America.

What people don't seem to get is that corporations are multinational. They are global. They wreck the economy here and they will go there and then there... And when we heal and the people have money to spend they will be back here. But the American people and workers did not do anything to cause the meltdown and should NEVER stand for being blamed for their greed and the bad policies that failed the American people.

yes aimmee there are public sector jobs in the capitalist world but the problem lays in the fact private sector workers foot the bill for the public sector.when the ratio of public sector gets off then there is not enough money to pay them.then you add the fact they are overpayed lazy nonproductive union workers and its gets worse.
in your world yes i see how the trash man will make more as well as any unskilled labor but the doctors will not make more.under your socialist ideas the quality and quanity of docters will go down.we all are aware you believe everyone should draw a check and no one should be allowed to make more than anyone else.

Lazybar: Please, name a public worker that does not pay taxes! Why are the republicans attacking and demonizing all public workers? They are NOT the cause of the financial crisis nor the debt! So WHY are you not screaming at Wall Street! Or the elected officials' bad policies that brought the economy down, that paid them off and that let them skip off like happy bandits to the next country. What part of... "It's the economy, stupid"... Do you not understand?
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And if you are going to call workers "lazy".... You might want to change your screen name.

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How do YOU think public sector workers should be paid..???
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I don't think you have had much contact with public sector workers to have such a low opinion of them... They can be fired for cause just as private sector workers can, so what's your point... Oh, I forget, you often don't HAVE a point..!!!

It takes tax dollars to pay the wages of the public sector. When the private sector revenues drop so shall tax revenues. Since that we are borrowing from Chine so what we can, pay the public sector, who care.

aimmee and reason let me tell you about your public sector workers.long many years ago i used to work for a company that serviced heavy equipment.i have been called out to do jobs for most counties in our great state,our states hwy dept,and the dod.not all cases but most while i was doing the job thier mechanics were very capable of doing themselves they would set in the breakroom or in truck sleeping while i done thier job for them.i also subbed out to union ran companies such as alcoa,reynolds,entergy,and gp with much of the same results.they didn`t do any job they didn`t want to and were never fired.now if that had of been me not working a gov job or for a union i would have been fired for not doing my job.
if you want another great example of your tax dollars being spent.on any rainny morning go to your local county yard.you will find all the equipment operators sitting and playing cards till around 10 when they are released with a full days pay.
you people want to blame wallstreet and walmart for all your troubles but the you never look back and think the only reason they have that power is because we gave that to them.

Lazybar: Believe it or not.... This is still a free country and workers have the freedom to negotiate his/her wages and conditions in exchange for their time, skill, knowledge and labor. Anything less is a FORCED bargained wage!
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Chances are... What you were contracted to do was not a condition of wish they had negotiated to do for their wage. It's called job description. Did you set the contract price or did you tell them just to pay you what ever they wanted to? And if while you were there and they wanted you to pour a concrete slab... would you have negotiate a separate price for that?
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"We" [people] didn't do it... Bad policy lawmakers did it. Vote-em out!

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Whey you see such goings on, you need to report it... Or are you too LAZY..????

reason when a union strikes is that not a forced bargained wage?
aimmee who you gonna report it to when you see county road workers playing cards instead of working?county judge?kinda hard when county judge is playing to.