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BRADLEY R. GITZ: What is diversity?

"Diversity" has become an obsession in certain quarters, with mere mention of it producing a reflexive nodding of heads and outpouring of virtue signaling.

The problem is that diversity in the abstract is largely lacking in meaning, neither inherently good nor bad; rather, its value is entirely contingent upon circumstances.

In a recent essay questioning the unquestioning worship of diversity, Jonah Goldberg noted that "diverse stock portfolios are more resilient. Diverse diets are healthier. But that doesn't mean picking bad stocks will make you richer, or that eating spoiled foods is good for you."

In other words, and as with so much else in life, it depends.

The greatest experiment in human liberty, the American founding, benefited from shared cultural and political values, and thus minimal diversity, among the founders, while the worst cases of ethnic/sectarian conflict in recent decades, in Yugoslavia, Rwanda and Iraq, can be attributed to too much diversity.

The original invocation of "diversity" in academe came with the Supreme Court's Bakke decision in 1978; more specifically, Justice Lewis Powell's opinion proclaiming diversity in the classroom a "compelling state interest" permitting affirmative action in admissions.

Granted that rather dubious imprimatur of constitutionality, the cause was given further impetus by two exemplars of the academic administrative elite, former Princeton president William G. Bowen and former Harvard president Derek Bok, in their influential 1998 book The Shape of the River, wherein the original idea of using racial preferences to compensate for past discrimination against blacks shifted toward the notion that white students would benefit from having non-white students in their classrooms and dormitories.

Being around people who looked and talked differently was assumed to enrich everyone's educational experience, especially that of "privileged" white suburban kids.

Using discrimination based on race in the present to compensate for discrimination based on race in the past was always a hard sell for Americans who had bought into the logic of the civil rights movement (as well as a violation of the 14th Amendment's "equal protection of the laws" clause), but the practice was saved when the diversity concept came riding to the rescue.

"Diversity" was, in short, a less divisive justification for preferences--who, after all, can quarrel with the idea that our lives are enhanced by exposure to people from difference cultures and races, especially in a multicultural society like America?

Still, when you move beyond that initial proposition, with which so many can so easily agree, you run into an array of contradictions and logical cul-de-sacs relating to the various meanings of diversity and their implementation. For instance, if diversity is interpreted merely in terms of race and ethnicity, how do we achieve it without relying on systems of preferences and the kind of morally odious bean count found in quotas?

Problems also emerge when plopping people into crude racial and ethnic categories, with the implicit assumption that everyone in those categories thinks the same way and has the same values (thereby bringing their alleged "group" identity with them to the educational experience). There is, after all, something profoundly disturbing, even racist, in attributing attitudes and values to people purely on the basis of their race or ethnicity.

Going further, a reasonable person might be forgiven for asking whether superficial differences of pigmentation and gender are necessarily more important than differences in religion, region, class, and, especially, ideas.

Great irony is found in the fact that, in precisely the years that diversity has become such an obsession on our college campuses, the form most crucial for a proper education--political and ideological diversity--has declined precipitously in the same places.

Indeed, those most enamored of crude forms of diversity tend to also be those most intolerant of the ideological diversity consistent with the marketplace of ideas and the broader purpose of education, which is, lest we forget, not to divide but bring us together in our shared humanity.

Those who embrace diversity in a racial or ethnic sense are afraid of ideological diversity because they correctly sense that with such diversity comes criticism of the uses of diversity to support racial preferences; indeed, diversity of ideas is the last thing most of our campus commissars of political correctness want.

Racial and ethnic diversity, and the reliance upon racial and ethnic preferences to achieve it, thus exist in tension with, and require the suppression of, the diversity of ideas.

Going beyond all these conundrums is also the bizarre manner in which diversity makes a fetish out of something that inheres in life itself--we are all "unique" creatures, by definition unlike any others that have walked this earth. Diversity is thus logically impossible to avoid because it's inherent in human individuality. It doesn't have to be pursued or manipulated, it simply is. To worship it is therefore as meaningless and banal as to worship oxygen or the oceans.

Thus, a useful rule of thumb: Those who prattle on the most about diversity are generally those most hostile to the genuine article.

As Thomas Sowell once acidly put it, "The next time some academics tell you how important diversity is, ask how many Republicans there are in their sociology department."

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Freelance columnist Bradley R. Gitz, who lives and teaches in Batesville, received his Ph.D. in political science from the University of Illinois.

Editorial on 02/12/2018

Comments

RBear says...

We get it, Gitz. You hate a diverse population. You use distorted arguments to promote your twisted view of society. You would have been great back in the South prior to the Civil War when preachers were justifying the virtues of slavery. But you're wrong on this on so many levels. You make the claim that those who support diversity actually oppose diversity of ideas, namely those ideas that attack diversity.
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Let's be clear. That opposition is to be expected, especially when the attack is of the very idea itself. You seem to confuse disagreement with intolerance, a common mistake you often make. For some reason, you focus on college campuses as if that's your ONLY scope of reference. Might I suggest you get off the campus of Lyon College a little more. You DO know the Presbyterians who support that college support diversity. So, if anything, they exhibit more tolerance of diverse ideas than you give people credit for.
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But let's get to the issue of diversity. During the weekend, an exec at Fox News penned a column that attacked the diversity of Team USA and the moves by the USOC to broaden the diversity of the team. John Moody titled the column "Darker, Gayer, Different," playing off the Olympic motto "Citius, Altius, Fortius" (translated "Faster, Higher, Stronger"). Moody made the insane case that the USOC was sacrificing medals by attempting to diversify Team USA.
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That's a stupid position to take, especially by someone who apparently doesn't follow the journeys of some of these diverse athletes. Moody doesn't seem to understand that when he attacks such athletes as Gus Kenworthy, an openly gay silver medalist from Sochi who made this year's Olympic team with a top performance at Mammoth Mountain in January. Moody apparently doesn't follow the sport of speed skating who saw Maame Biney, a Ghana immigrant and rising star on Team USA's short track team who finished second in her heat and will compete in the quarterfinals on Tuesday.
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No, Moody decided to attack Team USA with no real sports knowledge at all and only decided to look at race and sexual orientation of the athletes who represent our nation on the biggest sports stage. What Moody overlooks is the great work of the USOC to bring some of these sports to communities where they never have been before to allow the introduction to a new group of athletes.
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Take the example of the bobsled team who held sledding trials in South Texas to find new competitors from an area that rarely sees snow or ice. Through a similar trial in the past, the team has Justin Olsen from San Antonio competing on the team. Olsen, a soldier, proudly represents Team USA and our country on the sledding track.
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Unfortunately, Moody's column sparked just as outrageous comments in Breitbart and I'm sure the same would happen here IF the trolls even read the Letters. Most have the same ignorance of the Olympics and just want to attack diversity.

Posted 12 February 2018, 6:45 a.m. Suggest removal

iker2 says...

Who is this guy trying to impress? Not someone from this century.

This paper would do itself a favor to rid itself using him to represent GOP thinking and label him white nationalist. He’s a dog whistler.

Posted 12 February 2018, 8:36 a.m. Suggest removal

BOLTAR says...

What is blowing smoke?

Posted 12 February 2018, 10:32 a.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Once again Dr. Gitz is spot on with his analysis. This is the money sentence: "There is, after all, something profoundly disturbing, even racist, in attributing attitudes and values to people purely on the basis of their race or ethnicity."
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True diversity comes not in the color of one's skin but from diversity of individual thought and life experiences.

Posted 12 February 2018, 10:37 a.m. Suggest removal

mrcharles says...

Ladies and Gentlemen: Lets consider the worthyness of BRG, we have a ADG that caters to the ILKS of this state that elect people like Hester the , rapter man, the previous hand off my children to molesters while I count my money from that there government hand out [ that makes him a purist in gop terms, Herr Hypocrite] Like Fox nuse when its employees are not grabbing you know what like their G-d trump brags about, who cater to the scandal a minute of a democrat but like Sean the slug does, switch you to car wrecks when caught in what is called fake news.

The red state voters , being fearful of muslim hordes invading our christian communites, worrying about the total mistreatment of the white man, and who cant sleep at night due to seeing spanish on menus and hearing the Spanish language, must retreat back into the cave of ignorance like ancient cavemen who were scared of the dark. The editorials on the left side of the paper in section b, being very right will very subtly zing in a few ancient book phrases to delight the celestial decoders.

What he is saying is Jesus is white and Santa Claus is white.As to sowell, ask how many Republicans are in the creation science-not department and on the dept of Education in Texas in choosing text books with Moses as the creator of the constitution?

Posted 12 February 2018, 11:04 a.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

iker,

I agree. I am so tired of him trotting out his white supremacist ideas week after week. With respect to diversity, maybe if the Trump administration had more women they would have thought it problematic to have a wife beater in a high position. One of the few women in the administration was the girlfriend of the wife beater. You cannot make this stuff up. Diversity becomes necessary when one lives in a diverse society. Businesses want a diverse staff to relate to different kinds of people. In oh so white Batesville, Arkansas, diversity may not be that important.

Posted 12 February 2018, 11:31 a.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Pack spot on about what? You and he just really reiterated the value of diversity that race, gender, and sexual orientation offer through diversity of thought from other experiences. You just echoed what many in the diversity movement have been saying all along. The difference is YOU put your filters on and refused to hear their ideas because the ideas came from class based groups. Those are the ones who brought the idea to the table to start with.
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So if you're just figuring this out, maybe you should have been listening to the African-American, Asian-American, women's, and LGBT movement at the start. We're so glad you finally joined us in our thinking.

Posted 12 February 2018, 11:37 a.m. Suggest removal

Slak says...

Gitz shoots the bear. The bear screams, growls and postures defensively.
Nice shooting, Gitz. Bear looks good in front of your fireplace.
Proglib diversity is a coalition of oddity nuanced into normality. It is by no means a diversity of thought.

Posted 12 February 2018, 12:27 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Slak dumbest exchange in here so far. Of course you’re wrong about progressive diversity. It’s always been about diversity of thought. Why do you think we promoted it in organizations or companies? It helps build better solutions. Look, I know that thought is REALLY new to right wingers, but if Gitz and others on the right are just now embracing it that’s GREAT! Welcome to the party.

Posted 12 February 2018, 12:31 p.m. Suggest removal

Slak says...

Great grandmother called what proglibs describe as nuance as "Scratchin' aroun' for uh excuse."

Posted 12 February 2018, 12:31 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

RB, your asinine, infantile criticism of Gitz has absolutely nothing to do with his column.
Just exactly WHAT in his column do you disagree with? Name one thing. While you're at it, name one thing in YOUR post that relates to Gitz' comments.
There is no relationship whatsoever between your idiotic, uninformed hogwash and Gitz' column; just your imbecilic bullschiff.

Posted 12 February 2018, 1:52 p.m. Suggest removal

Dontsufferfools says...

Is it possible that Gitz and Packman are the really the same person, Russkypack?

Posted 12 February 2018, 2:44 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Moz it involves diversity and it IS relevant. BTW, as if you’ve always stayed on point with your hogwash posts? Idiot. I’m surprised you even understand Gitz’s column. Gitz is yet another of the right wingers like Moody who attack diversity without even understanding it and why it’s important. Yes, there is a connection. Sorry if it flew WAY over your issue illiterate head.

Posted 12 February 2018, 2:45 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

I would like the "diversity police" to try and do their preaching in Harrison Arkansas.
Harrison Arkansas isn't Eureka Springs Arkansas and I am glad about that.

Posted 12 February 2018, 2:52 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

What city says......................" wish we had a higher crime rate. Hope a hurricane hits down south so we get more diversity "

Posted 12 February 2018, 2:54 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Hey Pop - Women in the Trump Administration? Kellyanne Conway, Hope Hicks, Sarah Sanders, Ivanka, Nikki Haley, Betsy DeVos, Elaine Chao, Linda McMahon..... Stop lying, Pop. And yet, your buddy amgoo is unrepentant in calling Sarah Sanders a "whore" and you have NEVER called him out on it. Hypocrite.
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RBear - Alas, I'll say it again. True diversity comes not in the color of one's skin but from diversity of individual thought and life experiences. This is what Gitz nailed. You silly little libs just will not tolerate intolerance. Libs are so about diversity of thought Ann Coulter, Ben Shapiro, Dana Loesch nor any other conservative has EVER been denied a forum at a college or university. Moron.
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Hey DSF - I take that (comparing me to Dr. Gitz) as a high compliment. Thanks very much.

Posted 12 February 2018, 2:57 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

There sure isn't much diversity in the daily pictures of thugs committing violent crimes in Little Rock !

same old,same old
day in, day out

One would guess Little Rock was 95% Black.

Posted 12 February 2018, 2:57 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

Diversity ?................Black Policemen's Union
.............................Black congressional caucus
.............................BLM safe rooms

Posted 12 February 2018, 3:01 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

I see mrcharles is still posting from a closet while hiding behind a phony name.

Posted 12 February 2018, 3:02 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Hey Pack, I’ll say it again. Glad you guys finally figured out what we’ve been saying for decades. Welcome to the diversity camp.

Posted 12 February 2018, 3:20 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Pack but let’s be clear. When “diverse” thought attacks diversity which is what Coulter and Gitz do, then rebuttal of that thought including protesting it should not be considered intolerance. Now if that thought incites violence against others as Richard Spencer’s does, different matter. I know you love a good racist as you seem to do with Gitz, but he is wrong on this issue and tries to hide it in a lot of incoherent word soup.

Posted 12 February 2018, 3:25 p.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

GeneralMac is probably descended from those delightful people who burned down all the black homes in Harrison in the early 1900s or maybe he was attracted to move there by presence of the KKK.

Posted 12 February 2018, 4:15 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Had similar thoughts PM. Bragging about the lack of diversity in Harrison is pretty much code words for deeper rooted ideas.

Posted 12 February 2018, 4:32 p.m. Suggest removal

Dontsufferfools says...

I’m always pleased when he responds to russkypack. Surprised the FSB lets him though.

Posted 12 February 2018, 4:38 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Sure RBear, let's be clear. I'm the one that get's to decide "diversity of thought" and therefore the sole arbitrator of what is and is not tolerated. I'm also the only person on the planet that get's to decide what incites violence and what does not and therefore determine what will and will not be tolerated. You good with all that? Moron.
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What is crystal clear is there is no individual right to be offended or incited to violence merely by another person's words.
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PopSnob is probably descended from those delightful people who burned down all the black homes in Harrison in the early 1900s or maybe she was attracted to move east by presence of the KKK.

Posted 12 February 2018, 4:39 p.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

Packman,

Nope. Sorry. I had some ancestors in Fayetteville and some in Russellville at that time, but not in Harrison.

Posted 12 February 2018, 4:50 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

"diversity" is code word for....high crime rate.

Little ROCK, Pine Bluff, and Blytheville are prime examples of that in Arkansas.

Posted 12 February 2018, 5:31 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

"diversity" to liberals means there must be equal amounts of straights, gays,lesbians, and transgenders.

Posted 12 February 2018, 5:36 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

"diversity" means to liberals that there must be equal amounts in women's bathrooms of men who feel they are women as actual women

Posted 12 February 2018, 5:39 p.m. Suggest removal

Delta123 says...

Great article. Gitz speaks the inconvenient truth. Keep the faith Doc.

Posted 12 February 2018, 5:41 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

RB, you still didn't offer even one example of anything Gitz wrote that was false, because there is nothing in the column that IS false, you issue-illiterate moron!
And talk about perpetuating the stereotype of the hysterical gay man, I guess I've gotta say you're really on fire tonight.
ONE example, RB!

Posted 12 February 2018, 5:51 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

LOL @ moz. Read your comments and you're calling me the out of control gay person? As we would say about someone like you moz, DRAMA QUEEN!!!!!

Posted 12 February 2018, 5:56 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

Still no examples of untruths in Gitz' column.
I guess RB is nothing but a poseur...

Posted 12 February 2018, 7:39 p.m. Suggest removal

carpenterretired says...

The bad news for the boys in the turnip truck is that Gitz is best /brightest that the right wingers can field.

Posted 12 February 2018, 8:10 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Hey Pop - Well, it might have been some of your descendants that burned down black folks' homes south of the tracks in Russellville.

Posted 12 February 2018, 8:47 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

On entering Harrison last year, I saw the big billboard proclaiming......." Diversity is a code word for white genocide"

Yup !

If Democrats want a high crime rate and more Democratic voters you got to get rid of whites and replace them with Blacks.

Posted 12 February 2018, 9:20 p.m. Suggest removal

ARMNAR says...

It figures GM would applaud the KKK billboard which, thankfully, is no longer despoiling Harrison.

It also figures that Gitz would finish the very first paragraph of today's screed with the quintessential Alt-Right/White Supremacist dog whistle "virtue signaling."

I wonder how often Brad bleaches his hood and robe.

Posted 12 February 2018, 10:06 p.m. Suggest removal

mrcharles says...

The general reminds me of strom thurmond.

Another column by the minister of public enlightenment & propaganda for the ADG with the usual suspects of angry white men whining about those awful negoes or Hispanics or Muslim hordes interfering with their venerated rituals.

Posted 12 February 2018, 10:51 p.m. Suggest removal

ARMNAR says...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

I heart mrcharles.

Posted 12 February 2018, 11:07 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

AR, there was a trend in the 80's when all those "I "heart" WHATEVER bumperstickers were popular. Well, someone started selling round stickers with a picture of a screw, that were intended to be placed over those hearts.
So, AR, you "s***w mrschurlish" ???
No surprise there!

Posted 12 February 2018, 11:17 p.m. Suggest removal

ARMNAR says...

Uh, no.

You're even stupider than I'd figured.

And that's saying something.

Posted 12 February 2018, 11:27 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

moz I did, but apparently you're too reading challenged to understand the compare/contrast. I'm pretty sure you didn't even read Gitz's word soup, much like Delta123 who just applauds Gitz without really understanding his writings. I've decided to quit doing the crayon drawings for you right wing trolls. If you can't read and understand, your tough luck. I'm sure I'll get another DRAMA QUEEN response from you.
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On another note, 17 year old Asian-American Chloe Kim wins the gold in halfpipe as her South Korean grandmother cheered her on. #TeamUSADiversity. Take that, John Moody.

Posted 13 February 2018, 6:16 a.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

Pack man,

No the Russellville folks were ladies and gentlemen—not the type to burn down anything.

Posted 13 February 2018, 6:17 a.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

Pack man,

To be fair though, mother was adopted from St. Joseph’s Orphanage so there is no telling what my biological ancestors did. No, I am just commenting that GeneralMac’s racism is so virulent and ingrained that I would not be surprised if it came from his family.

Posted 13 February 2018, 6:28 a.m. Suggest removal

jmgarde says...

" True diversity comes not in the color of one's skin but from diversity of individual thought and life experiences." I can agree with that. Can you agree that the color of one's skin, or one's gender, or one's sexual orientation, (or one's religious beliefs, or one's address, or...) has a significant impact on one's individual thought and life experience? That these characteristics likely shape that diversity of thought?

Posted 13 February 2018, 7:26 a.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

RBlowhard, I read the entire column along with all your posts, and you did not challenge a single thing Gitz wrote. Apparently, all you're good for is to rant and rave. No substance at all.

Posted 13 February 2018, 7:40 a.m. Suggest removal

Delta123 says...

RBear, the Troll's Troll, says I don't understand Gitz's writing. RBear, in addition to being the Troll's Troll, is also a mind reader. I fully understand his writing and could not agree more with what he has written. RBear shoots the messenger but can't find the words to counter Gitz's truth. Keep Googling, maybe something will come to you.

Posted 13 February 2018, 8:38 a.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Moz like I said, I did and you just ignored the comment as you usually do. You continue to show ignorance, much like you did about Dixiecrats. You and Delta123 can’t really articulate any rational points on issues so you punt and say “good column” without providing insight. My guess is you flunked the essay portions of the tests.

Posted 13 February 2018, 8:45 a.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

Rebear,

They want to agree with racism without saying that they are racists.

Posted 13 February 2018, 11:34 a.m. Suggest removal

Delta123 says...

When you're losing the argument call 'em a racist.

Posted 13 February 2018, 11:40 a.m. Suggest removal

ARMNAR says...

When you're an actual racist, offer a lame, stock response like that one.

Posted 13 February 2018, 12:16 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Delta123 absent any rational rebuttal on your part, we can only conclude what we see. Your lack of a sound response doesn’t offer you any defense of the position. It is what it is and until you offer greater detail than you have, there’s really only one conclusion.

Posted 13 February 2018, 12:22 p.m. Suggest removal

TimberTopper says...

PopMom, again you nailed it. They with the racist attitudes, and actions, but don't like being called what they are. They with the mentality of the German people of 1933. Believing in, and may be being led to slaughter by this Russian supported POTUS. A person who cares only for himself and his wealth, makes no difference how attained. He for damn sure cares not for this country or it's people. He's putting on his show and they are eating his crumbs of life.

Posted 13 February 2018, 1:15 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Hey Pop - St. Joseph's in Morrilton?
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Hey jmgarde - "Can you agree that the color of one's skin, or one's gender, or one's sexual orientation, (or one's religious beliefs, or one's address, or...) has a significant impact on one's individual thought and life experience?" No.
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What a person experiences due to skin pigmentation, gender, hair color, height, weight, speech accent, educational attainment, personality (introvert, extrovert), etc. is what matters. I didn't include sexual orientation because that exists primarily in someone's mind with no determinant outward appearance.
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Hey amgoo - When you're a sexist, call Sarah Sanders a "whore". You sexist pig.
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Hey Timber - Did you see where Trump's approval rating is higher than Obama's at this same time in each's first term? Looks like the American people are beginning to enjoy what you and Nancy Pelosi call "crumbs".

Posted 13 February 2018, 1:33 p.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

Packman,

No. The old St. Josephs in North Little Rock. My grandparents were both from Russellville, but moved to Little Rock in the 1920s. (If you know Russellville, my grandfather grew up in the house on Main Street with the big lions in front.

In 1933, my grandparents were 35 and childless. One day while my grandfather was at work, one of his sisters who did charity work at St. Josephs took my grandmother over there. They walk in, and my mother, a little 3 1/2 year old urchin, runs up to my grandmother and wraps her arms around her legs and begs her to take her home with her. My grandmother asks the head of the orphanage if she could take mother for a "ride." They take her to M.M. Cohns and get her new clothes and then take her home. All the while, my grandmother is saying to her sister-in-law "Bill will kill me."

My Grandfather gets home from work. He says, "This is not a puppy or a kitten you just cannot bring it home." They noticed that she was sick and running a fever. They called the doctor who came over and said, "This child has whooping cough and must be quarantined from the orphanage. You must keep her for two weeks." Of course, after two weeks, my grandfather adored her and they kept her. They spoiled Mom terribly.

When you call me "Popsnob," I laugh. I am not exactly of noble birth.

Posted 13 February 2018, 1:52 p.m. Suggest removal

Delta123 says...

What's a "sound response" to someone calling you a name? Call them a name back? TT you're damn right this is like Germany 1933. If you disagree then you must be silenced.

Posted 13 February 2018, 2:10 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Pack I know you hate LGBT individuals, but sexual orientation is NOT a choice.
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On another note, shout out to Adam Rippon, an openly gay athlete, and the rest of the Team USA figure skating team for scoring a bronze medal. Take that, John Moody. #TeamUSADiversity

Posted 13 February 2018, 3:26 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Hey Pop - I have relatives in Morrilton and have been by the big house with the lions. As I recall it wasn't far from the hospital. Thanks for sharing that story about your mother and grandmother. Wish I had the balls to adopt a child.
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Hey RBear - Nah, you're wrong. Somewhere within the maze of the gbltquiawtf community lots of choices are being made based on what is going on in one's mind at any particular point and time.
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And if you don't mind allow me to offer a minor correction: Hate is too strong a word but I do truly detest bullies of all colors and creed including those within the gbltquiawtf community.

Posted 13 February 2018, 4:07 p.m. Suggest removal

ARMNAR says...

Why does pack continue to insist that only women can be whores?

Pretty damn sexist, if you ask me.

Posted 13 February 2018, 4:11 p.m. Suggest removal

BoudinMan says...

PopulistMom, I just loved the story of your mother and grandparents. What a loving, generous, and caring couple of people your grandparents seemed to be.

Posted 13 February 2018, 4:32 p.m. Suggest removal

ARMNAR says...

No, it's definitely hate. And RBear, pack refuses to acknowledge the truth about sexual orientation. It clashes with his false narrative and his cherished phobias.

Posted 13 February 2018, 5:12 p.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

BoudinMan,

Thank you. They were. I was quite close to them.

Posted 13 February 2018, 5:56 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Pack I have wonder that for all you say about this being about choice you must have some insight on this. Did you make "choices" growing up that we don't know about? I mean, you say it's about choice so you must know about this from a personal experience. I have no idea about this choice thing personally so maybe there's something I'm missing.

Posted 13 February 2018, 7:58 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Amgoo seems triggered. Get that boy a Snickers.
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Hey RBear - All you're missing is a realization of human biology.

Posted 13 February 2018, 8:59 p.m. Suggest removal

ARMNAR says...

Oh, good. The tiresome "Snickers" reference. Queenie is seriously running out of material.

And he just doubled down on his ignorance of human sexuality. I find that funny.

Disturbing, but funny.

Posted 13 February 2018, 10:15 p.m. Suggest removal

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