Trump denies vulgarity; talked ‘tough’ on immigration, he admits


Photographs by The New York Times/DOUG MILLS

Sens. Tom Cotton (left) of Arkansas and David Perdue of Georgia, shown in August at the White House, said Friday that they did not recall President Donald Trump using vulgar language in a meeting on immigration policy.

President Donald Trump acknowledged Friday that he used "tough" language during a meeting about a bipartisan immigration proposal that he rejected, reportedly using a vulgar term to refer to some countries.


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RBear says...

As is usually the case, Trump refuses to be held accountable for his actions. Durbin and Graham both heard the statements and Graham even called the president out for them. Cotton, being the Trump lackey he is, doesn't recall the statements. Makes me wonder if either he's lying, which is pretty bad, or doesn't pay attention in meetings, which is equally bad. I tend to opt for the later, a very convenient way to weasel out of the matter.
Trump is not my president and has disgraced this office since taking the oath on the west front of the Capitol. This whole thing is just another reality TV to him and he plays to an audience that enjoys that sort of thing - the Honey Boo Boo crowd. What is disgusting is to see this crowd either defend the statements with "he's just speaking the truth" or ignorant to the deplorable nature of them.

Posted 13 January 2018, 6:44 a.m. Suggest removal

23cal says...

The "It's the truth" crowd is too stupid to grasp that gratuitous insults to sovereign nations with whom we share the international stage are inappropriate and counter-productive.
If I show up at work one morning and start telling my co-workers that they are diseased (Haiti), lazy (Puerto Rico), hut-living (Nigeria), criminal rapists (Mexico), who live in sh*tholes (African continent, El Salvadore, Haiti) then anyone with a brain would grasp that I was failing my leadership role in building good will, better friendships, and a positive working relationship. This would be an incredibly stupid thing for me to do, and in essence it is what Trump has just done.
Instead of having the decency to know it is wrong and the integrity to admit it, his cultists try to obscure the inappropriateness of saying it at all by claiming it to be true.
Newsflash: There are times when unnecessarily saying something which may be true (or may not) is stupidly inappropriate.
To slightly paraphrase Joseph Welch's statement to Joe McCarthy, "Until this moment, President Trump, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.Let us not assassinate these countries further. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?"

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:16 a.m. Suggest removal

BoudinMan says...

RB, you are being too kind to Cotton. He showed how close attention he pays to his Dear Leader in Tuesday's immigration meeting in the Cabinet Room. He howled with laughter after each utterance from trump. And he was sitting at the far end across the table from trump. How short a memory does he have not to recall a pronouncement like this, when Graham said he made his own feelings known to trump about what he said in the same room. That alone should have enshrined the incident in Cotton's mind. This does not square. Cotton is a bald-faced liar.

Posted 13 January 2018, 8:30 a.m. Suggest removal

notbot says...


Posted 13 January 2018, 9:15 a.m. Suggest removal

Wowy says...

Why are we taking in so many of these "Stone Age types"? Do you realize a full one third of all Salvadorians live in the US? Sure the Orange God-Man was upset with the deal and protected status of Hatians, Somolians, and others from these s**t-hole Countries. Trump tells the truth as dimwitted communists faux outrage and the weak-minded can't handle the truth.

And somebody tell the glowing Savior of humanity that people from Norway don't want to come to the USA because it has pretty much become a banana republic under the communists mcdaddy and that bunch. #lockthemup #buildthewall #GOTRUMPGO !!

Posted 13 January 2018, 9:40 a.m. Suggest removal

MaxCady says...

It seems pointless to be quoted if one isn't going to be quotable...It's better to be quotable than honest. ----Tom Stoppard

Posted 13 January 2018, 12:35 p.m. Suggest removal

wildblueyonder says...

Americans don't "owe" foreigners anything. If they want to come here, do so legally. In the past, immigrants followed the rules to get in, they didn't do so illegally. Why do you libs want so many foreigners anyway? We have enough problems without adding to them with masses flowing in without proper vetting. Other countries that have allowed uncontrolled immigration have experienced numerous problems as a result.

Posted 13 January 2018, 12:51 p.m. Suggest removal


Trump rules:
Where two or more Senators gather in support of my lies the truth shall be altered.

Posted 13 January 2018, 1:46 p.m. Suggest removal

DoubleBlind says...

Let’s focus on the actual deal since many commenters are total hypocrites. (I suspect most, like myself, came here from elsewhere at some point over the last 3-4 generations. Based on certain comments, I only WISH their forbearers had been turned away as they represent zero value add.)
- Dems should agree to wall funding in exchange for DACA extension. On a per Dreamer basis, it works out to roughly 20K per head. And the wall will never get built. There should be no amnesty or auto citizenship for them But there should be a clear path over several years (ie, green card.) There should be no amnesty for their parents; they clearly broke the law. They cannot bring other family members. Get that done then focus on a broader immigration package package.

Posted 13 January 2018, 3:49 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Ah gohogs, ever the xenophobe. Just part of the Trump demographic and what's wrong with this country. Throughout my tech career, I've found that people from all nations have helped contribute to the gains of our country. I spent quite a bit of time working with Indians, Asians, Europeans (Germans, Poles, Norwegians), and yes, people from the African continent. We want them because THEY help grow this country in so many ways.
With regard to vetting, the process put in place during the Obama administration is one of the toughest in place without limiting countries like Trump has proposed. What is funny is that in looking over the terrorist attacks in the last several years, including during his administration, nothing in his ban would have stopped one single attack. But stupidity in his demographic fails to recognize that fact and blindly follows the idiot in the WH.

Posted 13 January 2018, 4:13 p.m. Suggest removal

wildblueyonder says...

Rbear, ah, I should have consulted you first, The all-knowing, all-powerful, great one. You're so humble, it's sickening. So many thugs have immigrated here, killing people, committing crimes, but you can't understand that, it's beyond your feeble comprehension. Your comments are pure BS.

Posted 13 January 2018, 4:59 p.m. Suggest removal

cain60660gmailcom says...

I wouldn't flatter yourself, Arkansas is NEVER a first destination for anyone. 2nd poorest state and the only jobs available for immigrants are plucking feathers off a chicken at a Tyson plant or stocking shelves at Wal-Mart. Poor schools throughout the state and the sh**hole known as Little Rock that has more crime than Chicago or Detroit per capita.

Posted 13 January 2018, 5:18 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Actually, not entirely true gohogs. I know that kind of rhetoric fits your nationalist xenophobic agenda, but the numbers don't bear out. The vast majority of people who have immigrated here have been completely productive and started great companies. I had the opportunity of working with many, one being Dr. G.P. Singh of San Antonio.
Dr. Singh immigrated from India to the US and started technology companies, rising to a highly respected level within Southwest Research Institute. He served on the FRB-Dallas board for several years and was vice chair of the San Antonio Area Foundation. I can name off MANY others, but of course you don't want to hear about those.
Quite franking, you can't understand the real story of immigration, including the DACA children. In all honesty, YOUR comments are pure BS and you're just too ignorant to understand why. You are a part of the problem, not the solution.

Posted 13 January 2018, 6:28 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

So, are we to suddenly believe Haiti isn't a sh*thole third world country?
Hey Cain6066 - With all due respect, you are a f'ing idiot. Arkansas is a wonderful little state with uncommon natural beauty and a destination for good people from around the globe. You don't get out a lot, do you.

Posted 13 January 2018, 6:32 p.m. Suggest removal

wildblueyonder says...

So, Rbear, you're part of the solution? OMG, we're in big trouble! You're just a wannabe "big-shot" who thinks what they say is not only relevant but important. Think again, Lady.

Posted 13 January 2018, 6:54 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

gohogs, you're trolling now with no intellectual value. Crawl back under the bridge little troll.

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:01 p.m. Suggest removal

wildblueyonder says...

Screw you, you perverted sicko! You can't call anyone a troll, you post 3 to 1 over everyone else.

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:16 p.m. Suggest removal

cain60660gmailcom says...

Said Pack - the guy with either rose colored glasses or has never ventured out of hee haw.

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:31 p.m. Suggest removal

Whippersnapper says...

DoubleBlind says... January 13, 2018 at 3:49 p.m.
Let’s focus on the actual deal since many commenters are total hypocrites. (I suspect most, like myself, came here from elsewhere at some point over the last 3-4 generations. Based on certain comments, I only WISH their forbearers had been turned away as they represent zero value add.)
Let's see, my ancestors mostly came here in the late 1800s. They followed the legal processes, and they didn't receive any government handouts during their lifetimes. Their children followed the legal processes, and didn't seek or accept government handouts. Down through my generation, we have followed legal processes, and not accepted government handouts.
To not be hypocritical, we should insist that first and second generation immigrants should be ineligible for any form of government handouts. The Democrats would never go for this, because they want "new citizens" to put on the dole and vote consistently for the party of big handouts.

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:34 p.m. Suggest removal

carpenterretired says...

Wonder how many of the boys in the turnip truck if they had a DNA test that showed a back on brown ancestor would stick to their principles and self deport to their black or brown ancestors homeland? One poor fellows family has never benefited from a government handout program ,so none have gone to free public schools (could explain a lot),drew a Social Security check ,had a medical bill paid by Medicare ,drove on a free public road , drank from a public water system or pooped in a public sewer system (could also explain a lot).

Posted 13 January 2018, 8 p.m. Suggest removal

PopMom says...


I live in an area where the homes are $1 million. On my cul-de-sac we have 3 Indian households, one Iranian, one Belarussian, one Chinese, and five American households. I have been to the $5 million home of a hispanic married to an Asian. I've run into numerous, well -educated Africans. My sons have Muslim friends who are quite nice. Many of the hispanic children in our community do well in school and end up attending the University of Maryland. The main problem that we have in our area is with the El Salvadoran gangs. You need to deal in facts and not Trump, racist rhetoric. The people who are on welfare are in the red states.

Posted 13 January 2018, 8:07 p.m. Suggest removal

wildblueyonder says...

PopMom, I knew you were a rich, elitist Democrat by your comments in the past. No wonder you opposed the tax reform bill so much. But only in America could foreigners prosper, in many cases more than home-grown residents. You know, it's funny only Durbin said Trump used the word s***thole in referring to these third world thug nations. I'm sure he's not a liar, right? Facts are PopMom, how did these MS-13 thugs get into the U.S.? BTW, you're no one to criticize someone for being racist. You libs love to play the race card and do it when you run out of insults and other things to say. There are many more in blue states on the government dole than red. Chicago and L.A. probably have more than all the red combined.

Posted 13 January 2018, 8:57 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

gohogs, you really do need to get out from under the bridge more. Graham also confirmed the statement and even rebuked the president for it. Cotton and Perdue pulled the chicken sh*t move of saying they "don't recall" the statement, neither an admission nor denial.
PM brought out a great point on diversity from immigrants after your claim that they are only criminals, rapists, and drug dealers (wonder who else said that). You can't even keep up with the context of the discussion. It's like talking to a kid who has ADHD. Like I said in another thread, ever wonder why your fellow right wingers never come to defend you on matters?

Posted 14 January 2018, 3:27 a.m. Suggest removal

RobertBolt says...

Who is stupider: trolls with absolutely unchangeable opinions or those who compulsively and publicly engage for months or years in the same futile arguments with them?

Posted 14 January 2018, 8:45 a.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Boltar pot, meet kettle. Seen you in the same behavior.

Posted 14 January 2018, 12:05 p.m. Suggest removal

RobertBolt says...

Pleased to meet you. I outgrew it. Have you?

Posted 14 January 2018, 12:31 p.m. Suggest removal

KnuckleBall says...

Our idiot Senator was on TV this morning and called 2 Senators liars (one from each party) Young Tom has about as much common sense as a Rock.... not sure the Rock doesn't have more. He is so far up Trump's rear end... you couldn't find him doing a colonoscopy using a Qbeam for light. The temper tantrum 2 year old in the White House does need to record what he says, but then he would call it fake news....

Posted 14 January 2018, 3:27 p.m. Suggest removal

wildblueyonder says...

Rbear, I don't believe Graham any more than I do you. He's a joke and so are you. BTW, "don't recall" has been used by your faithful more often than not.

Posted 14 January 2018, 4:02 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Just checked and yep, Haiti is still very much a sh*thole of a country. Lots of libs have been quoted in the past saying as much in response to potentially deporting illegals. Everyone seems to agree Haiti is a sh*thole country. That being the case, why do libs have their pink momma panties in such a wad?

Posted 14 January 2018, 7 p.m. Suggest removal

Shearload says...

About 1650, when my ancestors settled in Maryland, Britain was a sh*thole. Look it up. Inclosure Acts, civil/religious war, Cromwell, etc.

When Trump's ancestors came, Germany was a sh*thole. Your ancestors most likely left a sh*thole to come here.

Posted 14 January 2018, 10:45 p.m. Suggest removal

PopMom says...

Of course, Shearload is correct. The same is true of Ireland. Our ancestors came here to have a better life. You also do not judge people by the color of their skin or their country of origin. You also do not insult poor countries. Trump is so unpresidential. 99% of the population could do a better job than he is doing.

Posted 15 January 2018, 6:32 a.m. Suggest removal

Shearload says...

Popmom, it's not Trump. It is his base. Trump does not have the skills to dress up the prejudices of his base in a pretty (or at least, less ugly) package. The least competent, least moral, least evolved white male needs to believe that others who do not look like him are, therefore, inferior to him. Nothing new.

Posted 15 January 2018, 2:57 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

America is either a nation of laws and borders or just another sh*thole in waiting. Will someone, anyone, please explain the problem with protecting our borders, enforcing existing law, and admitting people to America that are problem solvers instead of problem makers?
If dems continue to refuse to agree to President Trump's common sense plan I truly hope he gives them a presidential size F U! Drop the deal and go balls to the wall enforcing existing law deporting illegals at warp speed. With any luck illegals will flood into the sanctuary state of California forcing it into bankruptcy. In short order dems will be begging President Trump to come back to the table offering to give hm anything he wants. Kick their dumb a$$e$, Mr. President. Kick the sh*t out of them.

Posted 15 January 2018, 4:03 p.m. Suggest removal

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