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Trump denies vulgarity; talked ‘tough’ on immigration, he admits

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Sens. Tom Cotton (left) of Arkansas and David Perdue of Georgia, shown in August at the White House, said Friday that they did not recall President Donald Trump using vulgar language in a meeting on immigration policy.

WASHINGTON -- President Donald Trump acknowledged Friday that he used "tough" language during a meeting about a bipartisan immigration proposal that he rejected, reportedly using a vulgar term to refer to some countries.

"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made -- a big setback for DACA!" Trump wrote on Twitter, referring to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program implemented during President Barack Obama's tenure. The program grants protections to about 800,000 illegal aliens who were brought to the United States as children.

Spokesmen for the White House did not immediately respond to a request for clarification Friday. The White House did not deny Thursday that Trump used the vulgarity, first reported by The Washington Post and later confirmed by numerous other news outlets.

At the same time, the uproar over Trump's comments appeared to cast doubt on the potential to forge an immigration deal as part of an effort to avert a government shutdown at the end of next week.

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In the Oval Office meeting with lawmakers Thursday, Trump asked why the U.S. accepts immigrants from "s***hole countries" such as Haiti, El Salvador and African nations rather than places like Norway, according to people briefed on the exchange.

"Why do we need more Haitians?" Trump said, according to people familiar with the meeting. "Take them out."

In a Friday tweet, Trump focused on the remarks attributed to him about Haiti, saying: "Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said "take them out." Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings -- unfortunately, no trust!"

Trump did not respond to shouted questions about his comments as he signed a proclamation Friday honoring the Martin Luther King Jr. Birthday holiday, which is Monday.

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His comments drew international scorn.

The Haitian government on Friday condemned Trump's reported migration comment as a "racist view of the Haitian community."

Haiti was among the nations to abstain at the United Nations rather than condemn Trump's change in policy over Jerusalem. U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley had asked nations not to vote against the United States and said she would keep track of those who did. She later thanked the handful of nations that voted with the United States and the larger group that abstained.

A spokesman for the African Union also weighed in.

"The African Union Commission is frankly alarmed at statements by the president of the United States when referring to migrants of African countries and others in such contemptuous terms," Ebba Kalondo said. "Considering the historical reality of how many Africans arrived in the U.S. during the Atlantic slave trade, this flies in the face of all accepted behavior and practice."

In Geneva, a spokesman for the U.N. Human Rights Council also condemned the comments as "racist."

"There is no other word one can use but 'racist,'" he said at a briefing. "You cannot dismiss entire countries and continents as 's***holes,' whose entire populations, who are not white, are therefore not welcome."

Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., one of the lawmakers who attended the Oval Office meeting, said in comments to reporters and in a subsequent statement Friday that Trump's denial was false. The president, according to Durbin, "said things that were hate-filled, vile and racist." Trump used the words "repeatedly," the senator said.

"I cannot believe that in the history of the White House, in that Oval Office, any president has ever spoken the words that I personally heard our president speak yesterday," Durbin said.

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., criticized Trump's remarks during an event Friday in Milwaukee, pointing to his own Irish ancestors' migration to America.

"First thing that came to my mind was: very unfortunate, unhelpful," he said. "But you know what I thought of right away? I thought about my own family... . It is a beautiful story of America, and that is a great story and that is the story we have today and that is a story we had yesterday and that is what makes this country so exceptional and unique in the first place. So I see this as a thing to celebrate, and I think it's a big part of our strength."

The contentious comments came a week before the current government spending authorization expires Jan. 19.

"The rhetoric just makes it more difficult, and that's unfortunate," said Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, referring to the prospects of consensus. "I don't think it makes it impossible, but I suspect the Democrats are sitting there going, 'Why would we want to compromise with him on anything?'"

Although Republicans hold control of Congress, their thin margin in the Senate means Democratic votes will be needed for any stopgap funding measure as well as for a broader budget agreement.

Democratic leaders have insisted that Congress pass a law protecting deferred-action recipients along with the funding. After telling lawmakers earlier this week that he's willing to sign whatever compromise on immigration they presented, Trump rejected a plan worked out on Thursday by a bipartisan group of six senators, describing the proposal Friday on Twitter as "a big step backwards."

The proposal by the six senators, led by Durbin and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., would provide money for border security, end a visa lottery system and limit family-based migration for deferred-action recipients. Trump has announced that the deferred-action program would end March 5 if Congress doesn't act.

Meanwhile, questions arose about whether the group of six was the right group of lawmakers positioned to conduct meaningful talks.

John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 GOP senator, and other Republicans have derided the bipartisan group of six. Initial bargaining also has occurred among a separate group of four leaders -- the second-ranking Republican and Democrat from the House and Senate, including Cornyn and Durbin.

At the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee event, Ryan said, "We just have to get it done."

Durbin warned, "We have seven days and the clock is ticking."

'WE DO NOT RECALL ...'

Among Republicans, there were differing explanations of what transpired in Thursday's private Oval Office meeting.

In a joint statement, Sens. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., and David Perdue, R-Ga. -- two of Trump's biggest allies on Capitol Hill -- said, "We do not recall the president saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest."

Trump, the senators said, "brought everyone to the table this week and listened to both sides. But regrettably, it seems that not everyone is committed to negotiating in good faith."

Cotton and Perdue are co-sponsors of legislation that would enact severe restrictions on legal immigration -- a bill Trump has said he supports but that senior GOP leaders have said could not pass Congress.

Graham, who Durbin said had voiced objection to Trump's comments during the meeting, issued a statement that did not dispute the remarks.

"Following comments by the president, I said my piece directly to him yesterday. The president and all those attending the meeting know what I said and how I feel," Graham said.

He added: "I've always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals."

Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., another of the six lawmakers who have been negotiating an immigration policy deal, said in an interview that he was not at the meeting but heard about Trump's comments "before it went public. And what I've heard reported is consistent about what I heard about the meeting."

The president made the comments as he grew frustrated with lawmakers presenting the bipartisan plan when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries, the people briefed on the meeting said.

In November, the Trump administration rescinded deportation protection granted to nearly 60,000 Haitians after the 2010 earthquake and told them to return home by July 2019.

"Why are we having all these people from s***hole countries come here?" Trump said, according to the sources, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.

Trump then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries such as Norway, whose prime minister he met with Wednesday. A White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Trump also suggested he would be open to more immigrants from Asian countries because he believes that they help the United States economically.

"Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people," spokesman Raj Shah said in a statement issued Thursday after The Washington Post reported Trump's remarks.

Information for this article was contributed by Anne Gearan, Ed O'Keefe, Mike DeBonis, Erica Werner, Paul Schemm, Eli Rosenberg, Maria Sacchetti, Rick Noack, Michael Birnbaum, Josh Partlow, Rael Ombuor and Kevin Sieff of The Washington Post; by Sara Burnett, Jonathan Lemire, Andrew Taylor, Matthew Daly, Jill Colvin and Alan Fram of The Associated Press; and by Laura Litvan, Erik Wasson, Sahil Kapur, Anna Edgerton, Steven T. Dennis, Nick Wadhams, Jennifer Epstein and Billy House of Bloomberg News.

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RBear says...

As is usually the case, Trump refuses to be held accountable for his actions. Durbin and Graham both heard the statements and Graham even called the president out for them. Cotton, being the Trump lackey he is, doesn't recall the statements. Makes me wonder if either he's lying, which is pretty bad, or doesn't pay attention in meetings, which is equally bad. I tend to opt for the later, a very convenient way to weasel out of the matter.
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Trump is not my president and has disgraced this office since taking the oath on the west front of the Capitol. This whole thing is just another reality TV to him and he plays to an audience that enjoys that sort of thing - the Honey Boo Boo crowd. What is disgusting is to see this crowd either defend the statements with "he's just speaking the truth" or ignorant to the deplorable nature of them.

Posted 13 January 2018, 6:44 a.m. Suggest removal

23cal says...

The "It's the truth" crowd is too stupid to grasp that gratuitous insults to sovereign nations with whom we share the international stage are inappropriate and counter-productive.
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If I show up at work one morning and start telling my co-workers that they are diseased (Haiti), lazy (Puerto Rico), hut-living (Nigeria), criminal rapists (Mexico), who live in sh*tholes (African continent, El Salvadore, Haiti) then anyone with a brain would grasp that I was failing my leadership role in building good will, better friendships, and a positive working relationship. This would be an incredibly stupid thing for me to do, and in essence it is what Trump has just done.
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Instead of having the decency to know it is wrong and the integrity to admit it, his cultists try to obscure the inappropriateness of saying it at all by claiming it to be true.
Newsflash: There are times when unnecessarily saying something which may be true (or may not) is stupidly inappropriate.
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To slightly paraphrase Joseph Welch's statement to Joe McCarthy, "Until this moment, President Trump, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.Let us not assassinate these countries further. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?"

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:16 a.m. Suggest removal

BoudinMan says...

RB, you are being too kind to Cotton. He showed how close attention he pays to his Dear Leader in Tuesday's immigration meeting in the Cabinet Room. He howled with laughter after each utterance from trump. And he was sitting at the far end across the table from trump. How short a memory does he have not to recall a pronouncement like this, when Graham said he made his own feelings known to trump about what he said in the same room. That alone should have enshrined the incident in Cotton's mind. This does not square. Cotton is a bald-faced liar.

Posted 13 January 2018, 8:30 a.m. Suggest removal

lkec2re says...

Liar

Posted 13 January 2018, 9:15 a.m. Suggest removal

Wowy says...

Why are we taking in so many of these "Stone Age types"? Do you realize a full one third of all Salvadorians live in the US? Sure the Orange God-Man was upset with the deal and protected status of Hatians, Somolians, and others from these s**t-hole Countries. Trump tells the truth as dimwitted communists faux outrage and the weak-minded can't handle the truth.

And somebody tell the glowing Savior of humanity that people from Norway don't want to come to the USA because it has pretty much become a banana republic under the communists mcdaddy and that bunch. #lockthemup #buildthewall #GOTRUMPGO !!

Posted 13 January 2018, 9:40 a.m. Suggest removal

TravisBickle says...

It seems pointless to be quoted if one isn't going to be quotable...It's better to be quotable than honest. ----Tom Stoppard

Posted 13 January 2018, 12:35 p.m. Suggest removal

gohog2018 says...

Americans don't "owe" foreigners anything. If they want to come here, do so legally. In the past, immigrants followed the rules to get in, they didn't do so illegally. Why do you libs want so many foreigners anyway? We have enough problems without adding to them with masses flowing in without proper vetting. Other countries that have allowed uncontrolled immigration have experienced numerous problems as a result.

Posted 13 January 2018, 12:51 p.m. Suggest removal

DerbiRider says...

Trump rules:
Where two or more Senators gather in support of my lies the truth shall be altered.

Posted 13 January 2018, 1:46 p.m. Suggest removal

DoubleBlind says...

Let’s focus on the actual deal since many commenters are total hypocrites. (I suspect most, like myself, came here from elsewhere at some point over the last 3-4 generations. Based on certain comments, I only WISH their forbearers had been turned away as they represent zero value add.)
- Dems should agree to wall funding in exchange for DACA extension. On a per Dreamer basis, it works out to roughly 20K per head. And the wall will never get built. There should be no amnesty or auto citizenship for them But there should be a clear path over several years (ie, green card.) There should be no amnesty for their parents; they clearly broke the law. They cannot bring other family members. Get that done then focus on a broader immigration package package.

Posted 13 January 2018, 3:49 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Ah gohogs, ever the xenophobe. Just part of the Trump demographic and what's wrong with this country. Throughout my tech career, I've found that people from all nations have helped contribute to the gains of our country. I spent quite a bit of time working with Indians, Asians, Europeans (Germans, Poles, Norwegians), and yes, people from the African continent. We want them because THEY help grow this country in so many ways.
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With regard to vetting, the process put in place during the Obama administration is one of the toughest in place without limiting countries like Trump has proposed. What is funny is that in looking over the terrorist attacks in the last several years, including during his administration, nothing in his ban would have stopped one single attack. But stupidity in his demographic fails to recognize that fact and blindly follows the idiot in the WH.

Posted 13 January 2018, 4:13 p.m. Suggest removal

gohog2018 says...

Rbear, ah, I should have consulted you first, The all-knowing, all-powerful, great one. You're so humble, it's sickening. So many thugs have immigrated here, killing people, committing crimes, but you can't understand that, it's beyond your feeble comprehension. Your comments are pure BS.

Posted 13 January 2018, 4:59 p.m. Suggest removal

cain60660gmailcom says...

I wouldn't flatter yourself, Arkansas is NEVER a first destination for anyone. 2nd poorest state and the only jobs available for immigrants are plucking feathers off a chicken at a Tyson plant or stocking shelves at Wal-Mart. Poor schools throughout the state and the sh**hole known as Little Rock that has more crime than Chicago or Detroit per capita.

Posted 13 January 2018, 5:18 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Actually, not entirely true gohogs. I know that kind of rhetoric fits your nationalist xenophobic agenda, but the numbers don't bear out. The vast majority of people who have immigrated here have been completely productive and started great companies. I had the opportunity of working with many, one being Dr. G.P. Singh of San Antonio.
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Dr. Singh immigrated from India to the US and started technology companies, rising to a highly respected level within Southwest Research Institute. He served on the FRB-Dallas board for several years and was vice chair of the San Antonio Area Foundation. I can name off MANY others, but of course you don't want to hear about those.
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Quite franking, you can't understand the real story of immigration, including the DACA children. In all honesty, YOUR comments are pure BS and you're just too ignorant to understand why. You are a part of the problem, not the solution.

Posted 13 January 2018, 6:28 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

So, are we to suddenly believe Haiti isn't a sh*thole third world country?
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Hey Cain6066 - With all due respect, you are a f'ing idiot. Arkansas is a wonderful little state with uncommon natural beauty and a destination for good people from around the globe. You don't get out a lot, do you.

Posted 13 January 2018, 6:32 p.m. Suggest removal

gohog2018 says...

So, Rbear, you're part of the solution? OMG, we're in big trouble! You're just a wannabe "big-shot" who thinks what they say is not only relevant but important. Think again, Lady.

Posted 13 January 2018, 6:54 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

gohogs, you're trolling now with no intellectual value. Crawl back under the bridge little troll.

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:01 p.m. Suggest removal

gohog2018 says...

Rbear,
Screw you, you perverted sicko! You can't call anyone a troll, you post 3 to 1 over everyone else.

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:16 p.m. Suggest removal

cain60660gmailcom says...

Said Pack - the guy with either rose colored glasses or has never ventured out of hee haw.

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:31 p.m. Suggest removal

Whippersnapper says...

DoubleBlind says... January 13, 2018 at 3:49 p.m.
Let’s focus on the actual deal since many commenters are total hypocrites. (I suspect most, like myself, came here from elsewhere at some point over the last 3-4 generations. Based on certain comments, I only WISH their forbearers had been turned away as they represent zero value add.)
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Let's see, my ancestors mostly came here in the late 1800s. They followed the legal processes, and they didn't receive any government handouts during their lifetimes. Their children followed the legal processes, and didn't seek or accept government handouts. Down through my generation, we have followed legal processes, and not accepted government handouts.
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To not be hypocritical, we should insist that first and second generation immigrants should be ineligible for any form of government handouts. The Democrats would never go for this, because they want "new citizens" to put on the dole and vote consistently for the party of big handouts.

Posted 13 January 2018, 7:34 p.m. Suggest removal

carpenterretired says...

Wonder how many of the boys in the turnip truck if they had a DNA test that showed a back on brown ancestor would stick to their principles and self deport to their black or brown ancestors homeland? One poor fellows family has never benefited from a government handout program ,so none have gone to free public schools (could explain a lot),drew a Social Security check ,had a medical bill paid by Medicare ,drove on a free public road , drank from a public water system or pooped in a public sewer system (could also explain a lot).

Posted 13 January 2018, 8 p.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

GoHOg,

I live in an area where the homes are $1 million. On my cul-de-sac we have 3 Indian households, one Iranian, one Belarussian, one Chinese, and five American households. I have been to the $5 million home of a hispanic married to an Asian. I've run into numerous, well -educated Africans. My sons have Muslim friends who are quite nice. Many of the hispanic children in our community do well in school and end up attending the University of Maryland. The main problem that we have in our area is with the El Salvadoran gangs. You need to deal in facts and not Trump, racist rhetoric. The people who are on welfare are in the red states.

Posted 13 January 2018, 8:07 p.m. Suggest removal

gohog2018 says...

PopMom, I knew you were a rich, elitist Democrat by your comments in the past. No wonder you opposed the tax reform bill so much. But only in America could foreigners prosper, in many cases more than home-grown residents. You know, it's funny only Durbin said Trump used the word s***thole in referring to these third world thug nations. I'm sure he's not a liar, right? Facts are PopMom, how did these MS-13 thugs get into the U.S.? BTW, you're no one to criticize someone for being racist. You libs love to play the race card and do it when you run out of insults and other things to say. There are many more in blue states on the government dole than red. Chicago and L.A. probably have more than all the red combined.

Posted 13 January 2018, 8:57 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

gohogs, you really do need to get out from under the bridge more. Graham also confirmed the statement and even rebuked the president for it. Cotton and Perdue pulled the chicken sh*t move of saying they "don't recall" the statement, neither an admission nor denial.
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PM brought out a great point on diversity from immigrants after your claim that they are only criminals, rapists, and drug dealers (wonder who else said that). You can't even keep up with the context of the discussion. It's like talking to a kid who has ADHD. Like I said in another thread, ever wonder why your fellow right wingers never come to defend you on matters?

Posted 14 January 2018, 3:27 a.m. Suggest removal

BOLTAR says...

Who is stupider: trolls with absolutely unchangeable opinions or those who compulsively and publicly engage for months or years in the same futile arguments with them?

Posted 14 January 2018, 8:45 a.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Boltar pot, meet kettle. Seen you in the same behavior.

Posted 14 January 2018, 12:05 p.m. Suggest removal

BOLTAR says...

Pleased to meet you. I outgrew it. Have you?

Posted 14 January 2018, 12:31 p.m. Suggest removal

KnuckleBall says...

Our idiot Senator was on TV this morning and called 2 Senators liars (one from each party) Young Tom has about as much common sense as a Rock.... not sure the Rock doesn't have more. He is so far up Trump's rear end... you couldn't find him doing a colonoscopy using a Qbeam for light. The temper tantrum 2 year old in the White House does need to record what he says, but then he would call it fake news....

Posted 14 January 2018, 3:27 p.m. Suggest removal

gohog2018 says...

Rbear, I don't believe Graham any more than I do you. He's a joke and so are you. BTW, "don't recall" has been used by your faithful more often than not.

Posted 14 January 2018, 4:02 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Just checked and yep, Haiti is still very much a sh*thole of a country. Lots of libs have been quoted in the past saying as much in response to potentially deporting illegals. Everyone seems to agree Haiti is a sh*thole country. That being the case, why do libs have their pink momma panties in such a wad?

Posted 14 January 2018, 7 p.m. Suggest removal

Shearload says...

About 1650, when my ancestors settled in Maryland, Britain was a sh*thole. Look it up. Inclosure Acts, civil/religious war, Cromwell, etc.

When Trump's ancestors came, Germany was a sh*thole. Your ancestors most likely left a sh*thole to come here.

Posted 14 January 2018, 10:45 p.m. Suggest removal

PopulistMom says...

Of course, Shearload is correct. The same is true of Ireland. Our ancestors came here to have a better life. You also do not judge people by the color of their skin or their country of origin. You also do not insult poor countries. Trump is so unpresidential. 99% of the population could do a better job than he is doing.

Posted 15 January 2018, 6:32 a.m. Suggest removal

Shearload says...

Popmom, it's not Trump. It is his base. Trump does not have the skills to dress up the prejudices of his base in a pretty (or at least, less ugly) package. The least competent, least moral, least evolved white male needs to believe that others who do not look like him are, therefore, inferior to him. Nothing new.

Posted 15 January 2018, 2:57 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

America is either a nation of laws and borders or just another sh*thole in waiting. Will someone, anyone, please explain the problem with protecting our borders, enforcing existing law, and admitting people to America that are problem solvers instead of problem makers?
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If dems continue to refuse to agree to President Trump's common sense plan I truly hope he gives them a presidential size F U! Drop the deal and go balls to the wall enforcing existing law deporting illegals at warp speed. With any luck illegals will flood into the sanctuary state of California forcing it into bankruptcy. In short order dems will be begging President Trump to come back to the table offering to give hm anything he wants. Kick their dumb a$$e$, Mr. President. Kick the sh*t out of them.

Posted 15 January 2018, 4:03 p.m. Suggest removal

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