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JOHN BRUMMETT: It's all about the ego

After he co-signed that vague little paper-for-show with President Trump, Kim Jong Un had his North Korean government tell the people back home that their leader had enjoyed a most successful meeting with the American president.

Kim did not stress that he had committed to working toward disarming the country's nuclear arsenal--"completely," as the statement said. Instead he heralded a development not in the statement, but that the American president had given him separately, individually and unilaterally.

It was that he had extracted a concession from the American president that the annual United States-South Korean military drills in South Korea--war games--would be discontinued because North Korea saw them as provocative and insisted on their cessation.

South Korea didn't know that was in the offing. The Pentagon may not have, either. But that's the point with Trump. He prefers to act in a kind of authoritarian way to get deals done in his own artful image.

He could do that on this occasion in a private tête-à-tête with Kim. He can't do that in Washington with all that government openness and representative democracy getting in the way.

So Kim essentially committed the same transgression as that of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau days before. After his summit, he described events for his domestic audience in terms spun advantageously to his domestic interest.

Trudeau had said Canadians would not accept punitive tariffs without retaliating. Trump had blown up over that and called Trudeau highly insulting names.

Kim said his summit's big development was that the Americans conceded on that war-games point. Trump, otherwise telling people that Kim's nuclear disarmament could well take place any minute now, said nothing in response to that.

Trump merely kept extolling the talented man that he found Kim to be and remarking on how good his "chemistry" with him had been.

One difference was that the North Koreans praised Trump in their statement. If Trudeau had amended his remarks to take note that the American president had large hands, he'd probably have been all right.

The greater difference is that, with Trump, the deal comes down less to what the deal is than to how the attempts at deal-making appear on television.

More to the point, it comes down to how his ego feels about his portrayal in that prevailing public view.

Trump thought Trudeau might come away looking tougher than he unless he took to Twitter to call the Canadian highly insulting names and thoroughly blow up a G-7 summit that he'd made a bust anyway.

Trump believes he is seen more favorably by his vital base back home if he engages in combat rather than cooperation with Trudeau and other traditional European allies, almost all more liberal than he, and most wishing they had Barack Obama to work with. So, there's a bit of a chip on the Trumpian shoulder as well in the matter of European relations.

With Kim, Trump looks good if he appears to have made unprecedented personal presidential progress with a North Korean leader on nuclear disarmament. Thus, he dares not object when Kim drops the impression back home that he out-negotiated the big American. That would destroy ... not the deal, because there isn't one to destroy, but the appearance of the deal, sufficiently favorable to Trump at this early juncture that the ravenous ego stands adequately nourished.

Trudeau and Kim were doing what domestic political leaders do. They were tending to their domestic knitting. Neither statement was detrimental to a decent eventual outcome of negotiations. In fact, the statements were obligatory steps toward a possibly decent outcome.

Canadians needed to be placated for Trudeau to negotiate on trade. And North Koreans needed to be told that the war games next door would end well before anyone tried to tell them they might be giving up the nuclear weapons they've been told for decades provided their only lifeblood.

Trump has his own domestic political considerations that compel him to challenge Trudeau and charm Kim. But it's his personal ego consideration that directs him to go further--to belittle a democratic neighbor and flatter a remote strongman.

Trump seems to respect strongmen more than democratic leaders. He seems to care more about winning over an enemy or rival than being true to a friendship or alliance.

No one can say what will possibly come of our trade policies with our traditional allies and with the world regarding North Korea's nuclear threat. There are troubling signs on trade and encouraging ones on North Korea, by Trump's fault on trade and to his credit on North Korea. But these are signs only.

Trump said Tuesday he'd find a way to make excuses if he turns out to be wrong in placing confidence in Kim.

That's because, whatever else happens, what matters first to Trump will always be Trump.

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John Brummett, whose column appears regularly in the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, is a member of the Arkansas Writers' Hall of Fame. Email him at jbrummett@arkansasonline.com. Read his @johnbrummett Twitter feed.

Editorial on 06/14/2018

Comments

mozarky2 says...

Happy birthday, President Trump!

Posted 14 June 2018, 4:32 a.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

You have to ask the question if Obama had been in the same shoes (yea, some whadaboutism) how the right wingers would have reacted to a) meeting with Kim without any prior concessions (criticism from the past), b) issued such a vague statement that really provides no details or tangible promises (we've had more concrete agreements in the past that NK broke), or c) discontinued war games without Congressional approval or coordination with the other partner in the games.
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You have to ask the question how blind Trump's minions are to real diplomacy as long as their feckless leader looks good on TV. You have to ask the question how serious they are about truly getting "complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization" or if just seeing Trump with Kim is all they need to get their warm fuzzy for the night.
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You have to ask how much they really care about having cooperative relations in the world with other nations or if Trump's MAGA really means isolationism. You have to ask if they really understand how protecting dairy farmers can be about "national security" when that's one of the tariffs Trump lists when tweeting about Canada.
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You just have to ask when they'll finally start digging in and doing some research instead of remaining the most issue illiterate demographic in recent history.

Posted 14 June 2018, 6:48 a.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

I think you're onto something, RB.
Criticize the Trump demographic as stupid and out of touch. Don't forget racist and misogynistic.
Your party will take back Congress for sure!

Posted 14 June 2018, 6:59 a.m. Suggest removal

Rightside says...

Results what count.
Consumer spending strong, unemployment record low, consumer confidence strong, unemployment rate for black Americans dropped to just 6.8 percent, which is the lowest ever recorded, hispanic unemployment rate remains at a near record low. 304,000 manufacturing jobs have been created since President Trump took office, 337,000 construction jobs have been created since President Trump took office, confidence in the American economy, with confidence among both consumers and businesses reaching historic highs. Trump has worked with international allies to decimate ISIS. President has launched a nationwide effort to fight the opioid crisis, which has devastated communities across America.

Complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula is a long process it's just beginning, why critize the man trying to get it done. When it comes to trade why do people pull for Canada, China and the EU aganist their own country?
The annual United States-South Korean military drills in South Korea are not till next spring, training with South Korea military will continue.
President uses praise and criticism on friends and foes. Results what count. What matters first to Trump will always be the country. Happy Birthday U.S. Army and President Trump.

Posted 14 June 2018, 7 a.m. Suggest removal

WGT says...

Taking back Congress coming right up. Real normal on the way. The convoluted concept that right leaning extremism is normal is a delusion suffered but too many.

Posted 14 June 2018, 7:15 a.m. Suggest removal

WGT says...

By too many. Spellcheck. Oops.

Posted 14 June 2018, 7:17 a.m. Suggest removal

23cal says...

"Trump seems to respect strongmen more than democratic leaders."
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That would be because he acts like one and wants to be one in fact. He can't get along with our allies, but he just adores Putin, Duterte, Erdogan, and the like.

Posted 14 June 2018, 7:28 a.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Rightside drinking that Kool-Aid by the gallon, I see. "Trump has worked with international allies to decimate ISIS." Do the research, ISIS is still strong throughout the region. ISIS is like Al-Qaida. It's like playing Whac-A-Mole. You drank Kool-Aid there.
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The economy and unemployment were on trends upward and downward. Once again, these improvements didn't just start when Trump took office. Maybe the right wing calendar only begins Jan. 20th, 2017. The rest of us know the truth and see the trend lines.
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"When it comes to trade why do people pull for Canada, China and the EU aganist their own country?" Trade wars have winners and losers. With each story of success, there have been stories of job losses due to the tariffs. We are in a world of global trade and economies need to adapt to it. Most right wingers expect things to look like they did 20-30 years ago. The world moves on.
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"President has launched a nationwide effort to fight the opioid crisis, which has devastated communities across America." I'm all for this and glad he did. It was needed so much by our nation and hopefully we'll see people's lives rebuild and grow, as well as the suffering of families end.

Posted 14 June 2018, 7:31 a.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

If Brummett had one-hundredth of the accomplishments of President Trump, maybe he'd have a justification for his own tremendous ego.

Posted 14 June 2018, 7:59 a.m. Suggest removal

hah406 says...

Moz, JB will never go bankrupt three times, including with a casino, nor will he stiff people he has contracted to pay for services. The NK stuff may work out, and if it does kudos to Trump. But history tells us that they will not honor any of the promises supposedly made over the summit. Also, you are committing a prime mistake this morning in defining a big section of the Trump demographic yourself instead of making someone else do it.
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My big question is how the Trump demographic doesn't understand that billions of dollars of goods and services flow back and forth across the Canadian border, and it is mutually beneficial. Economics 101 says that U.S. citizens will be hurt far worse by a trade war with Canada than the Canadians will. Same with the E.U. How do you all not get that?

Posted 14 June 2018, 8:11 a.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

Hi, hah.
As I mentioned yesterday President Trump so far has made all the right moves on the economy. I'm not going to try to predict the future but, I'm willing to wait and see how all this trade talk works out.
If, as you predict, this whole thing goes south, I myself will vote against Trump.
But so far President Trump's performance on the economy has been stellar.

Posted 14 June 2018, 8:22 a.m. Suggest removal

hah406 says...

Morning Moz,
He has made many right moves on the economy so far. My concern with Canada is outlined in the other editorial this morning, The Truth about Trade from the Baltimore Sun. I am largely happy with the economy, just not with picking a fight with Canada. And I truly hope everything works out with NK, I just fear that it will not based on the Kim family history.

Posted 14 June 2018, 8:33 a.m. Suggest removal

JakeTidmore says...

Ah, the Brum-mancing continues. What columnist gets even half as many comments as JB gets when he posts an op-ed piece? His words are the attraction that draws commenters from all sides to speak their piece or repeat their favorite brand of propaganda.
And ironically, just like Trump, he garners attention from the right & left whenever he speaks the truth or "truth" (depending on your political brand).
He's the man who dares tell the emperor that he is sans clothes as well as sans wit, wisdom, and warmth. And above all -- he returns a favor for his colleagues in the press and lets us know when Trump is putting out his own brand of Fake News.

Posted 14 June 2018, 8:50 a.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

Anybody see the hypocrisy in John Brummett's headline........"It's all about ego" ?

I was disappointed because with that headline I thought the article would be about John Brummett himself.

Posted 14 June 2018, 8:52 a.m. Suggest removal

BOLTAR says...

Rightside, if by writing ”Results what count" you meant to say the only important measure of an action is its consequence, you demonstrated the most childish level of moral reasoning: Trumpian narcissism that considers only whether you got the cookie and not how many suffered to feed your sweet tooth. Fortunately, by beginning your comment with this vacuous premise, you offered fair warning of what would follow. Thanks for that at least.

Posted 14 June 2018, 8:54 a.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

Jake Tidmore..........the reason one -trick-pony John Brummett's columns are lightning rods is because President Trump is controversial and one-trick pony John Brummett only writes about Trump.

John Brummett and Alex Baldwin hope Trump is a two term president so those two clowns can remain relevant.

Posted 14 June 2018, 9:09 a.m. Suggest removal

LRAttorneyCrime says...

'President has launched a nationwide effort to fight the opioid crisis, which has devastated communities across America." The "opioid crisis" is a false creation. Opioid in the form of heroin has been a problem across America for decades. It is when OxyContin came out (legal heroin) that the so-called epidemic started. This is just another farce to push the "war on drugs" into another decade. Trying to legislate prescriptions to the point of what the General Assembly is doing now is wrong. The only reason that lawmakers in DC see an epidemic now is because their friends kids (more aptly termed "rich-kids") are the ones dying from overdose. There are more people dying from many other things (suicide for one) that the legislature never touches. Come on, we tried to legislate ethics during the early nineteen hundreds with prohibition and it just does not work. The ones that cannot get prescriptions will get heroin on the street and just further instill the Mexican Cartels in money and power.

Posted 14 June 2018, 9:20 a.m. Suggest removal

BOLTAR says...

As usual, factually wrong, GeneralMac, when you claim, "John Brummett only writes about Trump."

Posted 14 June 2018, 9:21 a.m. Suggest removal

23cal says...

LRCrime....although we are often not on the same page, we are word for word on the same page on your comment today. Go you.

Posted 14 June 2018, 9:29 a.m. Suggest removal

WhododueDiligence says...

"It's all about ego"
GMac, that's a misquote. There's a "the" in this headline about the ego of The Donald.

Posted 14 June 2018, 9:31 a.m. Suggest removal

BOLTAR says...

I'm with you, 23cal, and as unusual as it seems, with LRAtty on his latest post.

Posted 14 June 2018, 9:50 a.m. Suggest removal

LRAttorneyCrime says...

23...Thanks, as I said I disagree with republican and democrat and see the fallacy on both sides. I will not hesitate to demonstrate the idiocy I see in legislation, no matter whose agenda it falls under.

Posted 14 June 2018, 9:50 a.m. Suggest removal

Rightside says...

RBear: Remember Obama said about Islamic State as a 'JV' team. You drank his Kool-Aid.

U.S. retail sales increased more than expected in May as consumers bought motor vehicles and a range of other goods. First-time applications for unemployment benefits unexpectedly falling last week and the number of Americans on jobless rolls declining to a near 44-1/2-year low. More facts you call kool aid.

Posted 14 June 2018, 9:52 a.m. Suggest removal

WhododueDiligence says...

"Remember Obama said about Islamic State as a 'JV' team."
People on the far right angrily complain about Obama saying that.
But why? They can't help it? Whatever Obama utters, it has to be knee-jerk kicked?

Posted 14 June 2018, 10:28 a.m. Suggest removal

LRAttorneyCrime says...

Who..."Whatever Obama utters, it has to be knee-jerk kicked?" Everyone on here, whether it is Obama said "....." or Trump said "...." It is the same rhetoric over and over. None of us like 70%+ of what is done, but none of us has done anything but spout rhetoric over and over.

Posted 14 June 2018, 10:33 a.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

I point out BOTH party's president.

I used to constantly point out George W Bush giving us that arrogant smirk.
(very condescending)

I also point out Barack HUSSEIN Obama......deliberately......clenching his arrogant mouth so tight he made a monkey face at us peons.

No reason for a president of EITHER party to make arrogant faces at us peons!

Posted 14 June 2018, 11 a.m. Suggest removal

JakeTidmore says...

ADG OpEd Columnists (In state only; Oped posts only) & Number of Comments on last 10 posts
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Brummett: 30*, 14, 101, 7, 29, 23, 52, 3, 24, 39; Total 322
Mean - 32.2 Median - 26.5 Range - 3 to 101
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Kelley: 29, 0, 38, 4, 1, 26, 17, 31, 0, 3; Total 149
Mean - 14.9 Median - 10.5 Range - 0 to 38
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Gitz: 0, 7, 0, 28, 1, 6, 51, 20, 14, 20; Total 147
Mean - 14.7 Median - 10.5 Range - 0 to 51
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Greenberg: 16, 0, 0, 10, 2, 3, 21, 0, 0, 1; Total 53
Mean - 5.3 Median - 1.5 Range - 0 to 21
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Masterson: 0, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 7, 0, 1, 6; Total 20
Mean - 2 Median - 1 Range - 0 to 7
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Martin: 0, 0, 9, 1, 2, 0, 0, 1, 1, 5; Total 19
Mean - 1.9 Median - 1 Range - 0 to 9
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* - Brummett's 30 is an estimate since he's already over 25 at the time of these calculations. Every additional 10 comments over 30 will add 1 to his Mean score.
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Brummett's Mean is at least double for all others on the list; same for his Median and his total. Kelley, Gitz & Brummett all have outliers with their highest score.

Posted 14 June 2018, 11:30 a.m. Suggest removal

WhododueDiligence says...

"It is the same rhetoric over and over."
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Yes, LRAC, there certainly is a lot of that. But my question was: Why do people on the far right angrily complain about Obama referring to ISIS as a junior varsity team? They're still doing it. But why? Why object to Obama dissing them? Complaining about that makes no sense, rhetorical or otherwise.

Posted 14 June 2018, 11:55 a.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

Jake Tidmore.............and your point is......................?

If a columnist is a "one -trick pony" and only writes about the most controversial person in the world, I would expect his column would have the most replies.

That and the fact that John Brummett's opinions are in the minority here in Arkansas.

Posted 14 June 2018, 12:18 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

The only time John Brummett veers from bashing President Trump is when he writes an occasional column on his "man crush"........Clarke Tucker.

Posted 14 June 2018, 12:20 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

Derek Hunter in today's Town Hall:
"There’s a great line in the movie Men In Black where Will Smith asks Tommy Lee Jones why they just don’t tell the world aliens exist, that “people are smart, they can handle it.” Jones responds, “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.” That’s where liberals live. They need to keep people angry or scared to prevent them from thinking logically, rationally and, most frighteningly for liberals, for themselves".
Truer words were never spoken. There are only two left-leaning posters here capable of rational thought; hah and PopMom. The rest of them are unhinged lunatics who fit the above description to a tee.

Posted 14 June 2018, 12:21 p.m. Suggest removal

PopMom says...

It all may be vague and unpredictable, but Trump got the madman calmed down for the time being. I give him kudos for that. I am horrified by children being taken from their parents at our borders. It really is child abuse.

Posted 14 June 2018, 1:17 p.m. Suggest removal

WhododueDiligence says...

mo, that is not logical thinking.
Hunter uses this Tommy Lee Jones movie quote: "People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
Accepting that, Hunter says: "That's where liberals live. They need to keep people angry or scared to prevent them from thinking logically, rationally and, most frighteningly for liberals, for themselves."
Hunter's statement does not logically follow from the movie quote. The movie quote refers to all people. Therefore it logically follows that Hunter's statement about liberals applies equally to all people including himself.
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Does Hunter feel a need to keep people angry or scared? Fuzzy logic is common, especially in politics, and in wacko websites, blatant logical fallacies are a dime a dozen.

Posted 14 June 2018, 1:42 p.m. Suggest removal

LRAttorneyCrime says...

Pop...I don't have a problem with children being taken at the border from their parents. I guess I have been jaded by the Juvenile system in Little Rock. They take children all the time, most of the time it is on the word of a single doctor at Children's Hospital. On top of that, many of the times it is proven unfounded. Also, children are taken from their parents all the time when their parents commit crimes and get sentenced to prison, some times for very little. Until we overhaul how children are treated here, and mostly on unfounded allegations, I do not have a problem with taking them from parents at the border, when that parent knows for sure they are violating the law.

Posted 14 June 2018, 2:04 p.m. Suggest removal

JakeTidmore says...

Lots of one-trick ponies in your own coral, GM.
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Matthew 7:3-5
3) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
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In a world of cynical critics and self-anointed judges, the keen observation by Mr. J of Galilee points to a truth much lacking here.

Posted 14 June 2018, 2:10 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

My guess is John Brummett's job description mandates he throw his useful idiot base a little red meat a minimum of 50% of the time, which explains this article. Yada, yada, yada, yada, President Trump is incompetent and only in it for Trump and in bed with Putin and lies like a dog and has bad hair and, btw, broke millions of libs when he defeated Hillary fair and square. Yada, yada, yada, yada.
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Hey PoopMom - With all due respect to your hysterical rhetoric about taking kids from their parents at the border, which both the Obama administration and Trump administration have done according to LAW, what would you do? Are you also horrified the government takes kids from their parents due to incarceration or ACTUAL child abuse?

Posted 14 June 2018, 2:15 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Pack what’s with the “PoopMom” label? Are you like 12 years old or something?

Posted 14 June 2018, 2:16 p.m. Suggest removal

JakeTidmore says...

It is interesting that I am simply trying to provide data that supports factually a statement I made regarding reader posts. GM prefers to spin a silk shirt out of a sow's ear of opinion about this data.
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1 Timothy 5:13 -- Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also busybodies who talk nonsense, saying things they ought not to.

Posted 14 June 2018, 2:17 p.m. Suggest removal

GeneralMac says...

Careful Jake, I'm practicing making DELIBERATE monkey faces at people.

Just like Barack HUSSEIN Obama did.

Posted 14 June 2018, 2:32 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Fake says, “If a columnist is a ‘one -trick pony’ and only writes about the most controversial person in the world, I would expect his column would have the most replies.”
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As often as you spew your trolling in here on a variety of subjects, you make that statement? Just shows how out of touch you are. Go take a nap.

Posted 14 June 2018, 2:42 p.m. Suggest removal

LRAttorneyCrime says...

Rbear..."Pack what’s with the “PoopMom” label? Are you like 12 years old or something?"

Really, are you going to go there? Now come on, I thought the deal between you, Moz, pac and few others was the open sharing of how the others are idiots and use names. When you called me LRCrook, I embraced it and actually changed my screen name to that, but for some reason it won't take effect. If you see an ad for a criminal law attorney that says LRCrook you may want to sue me for rights in the name.

Posted 14 June 2018, 2:55 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Hey RBear - Poop has recommended more comedy and less anger. I'm just following her lead with perhaps a juvenile attempt at humor. PoopMom...c'mon, RBear. Admit it. That's a clever play on PopMom's handle. Also, Pop has said in the past she finds guys that make her laugh "sexy". Perhaps she finds me sexy for trying to make her laugh?
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And she just laughed at the thought of me being sexy in any way. Mission accomplished.

Posted 14 June 2018, 4:45 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

I have eschewed name calling. I've found that, since "progs" are deeply offended by humor, jocularity will now be my weapon of choice.
In fact, I've a got real knee slapper rat cheer:
"House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters on Thursday that she is confused why Americans aren’t “uprising” against the Trump administration over conditions on the border with Mexico.
The California Democrat’s weekly press briefing veered into explosive territory when the subject of illegal immigration came up. Mrs. Pelosi said there may be “uprisings” over children who are separated at the U.S. southern border, due to an Obama era rule, when asylum seekers decide not to arrive at a proper checkpoint".
Now, I don't care who ya are, that right there's funny!
I guess it never occurred to the elitist Nanzi that Americans are sick of the breaking and entering on the Southern border.

Posted 14 June 2018, 4:58 p.m. Suggest removal

PopMom says...

LRAttorney,

He probably found that he can no longer call me "Popsnob" in good conscience. I just got my AncestryDNA results. I am related to every redneck in Arkansas--not a Heights snob among them. (My mother was adopted from St. Joseph's Orphanage.) It must be a hoot for them to see the name of a stranger and relative. My birth grandfather was not the name on the birth certificate. LOL. My husband recently found that he had an extra second cousin.

Posted 14 June 2018, 5:22 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

LRCrook you know I say yours with sarcasm. Fake gets it because of his baseless attacks against mrcharles, yet won't own up to his own fake name. moz is just short for ... well, you get the gist. Poop just seems to go a bit far for someone who is probably one of the most civil persons in here. It's just uncalled for.

Posted 14 June 2018, 5:59 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

RB, I find it somewhat ironic that you, the most uncivil poster on this forum, recognizes PopMom for her civility!

Posted 14 June 2018, 6:05 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

It's all about the economy! President Trump has engineered a u-turn from the Obamanation! From CNBC:
Surging consumer spending is driving GDP well above prior estimates, and it is now tracking near 4 percent for the second quarter.

That's almost double the pace of the first quarter.

Economists say the consumer is seeing the impact of the tax cuts and is spending, as a result of more disposable income

Armed with new-found proceeds from the tax bill, American consumers went shopping in May, driving retail sales — and economic growth — sharply higher.

The economy in the second quarter is tracking close to 4 percent growth — a level President Donald Trump raved about last December, just before the tax bill was approved. At the same time, he had also told reporters he was holding out for a doubling of growth to 6 percent.

Posted 14 June 2018, 6:22 p.m. Suggest removal

TimberTopper says...

It appears the Trump Crime Family has been caught, by the AG of New York. Even a bit of lying on the tax returns of the foundation. And to think there are some so ignorant, and have so little morals, that they look up to and support a family such as this. Crooks, the whole damn bunch!

Posted 15 June 2018, 5:01 a.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Actually moz, I pale in comparison to your attacks and degradation of others. I just point out the idiocy of some of your "facts," such as the "u-turn from the Obamanation!" Did you just flunk math in school? Did the concept of trend lines just escape you? I guess so based on that comment. The economy has been gradually improving since the financial crash of 2008 brought on by Republican economic practices. Remember, Bush inherited a robust economy from Clinton and, putting 9/11 aside, was never able to really get it back on track.
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It was fragile at best and crashed when the financial shell games allowed by a Republican administration finally collapsed on themselves. What we see today are Republicans wanting to roll back financial regulations to the same state they were in when the bottom fell out in 2008. Are we headed for another crash? We won't know until it's too late, but one thing is certain (and I know this is going to fly over your coal shoveling head). Consumer savings is at an all time low right now which means any downturn in the economy will put us right back where we were.
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The finances gained by economic improvements are not being channeled into savings or retirement funds. Most of the economic growth has been attributed not to rising incomes, but increased borrowing and running down savings. According to a financial article in Reuters, "Most U.S. recessions since 1961 have been preceded by a record low savings rate..."
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Anyway, I know this is going to fly over that pea-brained head of yours, but I'm just putting out there for the educated ones in here.

Posted 15 June 2018, 6:39 a.m. Suggest removal

WGT says...

...and the wool grows ever more dense over the eyes of the ones on the Right. The rumbling you sense, you feel, you know deep inside your shallow souls, is not what you may think. Grow up.

Posted 15 June 2018, 6:46 a.m. Suggest removal

CartoonDude says...

It's hard to believe anyone who runs for president has an ego. I wonder if newspaper editorial writers have egos.

Posted 15 June 2018, 7:41 a.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

CartoonDude no dispute on the presidential ego. It’s how they present that in public.

Posted 15 June 2018, 8:05 a.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

Dropped my grand-daughter off at art camp this morning, and noticed something alarming. It would appear the number of dimocrats in Benton County has doubled. I saw four of them at the off-ramps on the intersection of I49 and HWY. 102, instead of the customary two.

Posted 15 June 2018, 9:14 a.m. Suggest removal

WhododueDiligence says...

mo, if they want to keep all their income for themselves and refuse to share, they're libertarians.

Posted 15 June 2018, 9:34 a.m. Suggest removal

WhododueDiligence says...

mo, we can all agree that the public roadway they're making money on--they didn't build that.

Posted 15 June 2018, 9:44 a.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Hey PopSnob - You're not a snob because of your DNA. You're a snob because, among other things, you believe a quality education can only occur in the rarified air of a college classroom. As a typical lib, you also believe people only disagree with you politically because they just aren't as smart as you.

Posted 15 June 2018, 11:02 a.m. Suggest removal

PopMom says...

Packman,

Not true. Many people including Abe Lincoln were pretty much self taught. Much of what I have learned has come from reading not obtained from a college classroom. Many Republicans have much higher IQs than I do (probably Charles Krauthammer and Ted Cruz). My politics comes from values as much as education.

Posted 15 June 2018, 12:17 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

TT, haven't you ever heard of the Clinton Crime Family Pay-to-Play Emporium and Cash Washateria?

Posted 15 June 2018, 12:19 p.m. Suggest removal

TimberTopper says...

mozzy, the Trump Family has replaced the Clinton Family. The Clinton Family Foundation has been proven to be crooks, like the Trumps!

Posted 15 June 2018, 2:08 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Hey Pop - My guess is my plumber has a higher IQ than you as well. I guarantee the guy has a higher IQ than me and he never attended college a day in his life. Prove me wrong, Pop. Admit the typical Trump voter isn't "uneducated".
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Not to set you up, Pop, with my question about Trump voters being uneducated, but does a person receive more of an education from 4 - 6 years of life experiences or from 4 - 6 in a college classroom to be eventually handed a degree in something that ends in the word "Studies"?

Posted 15 June 2018, 3:38 p.m. Suggest removal

WhododueDiligence says...

"I guarantee the guy has a higher IQ than me and he never attended a day of college in his life. Prove me wrong, Pop."
How could she?
Why would she want to try?

Posted 15 June 2018, 4:27 p.m. Suggest removal

RBear says...

Pack let me put it to you this way. I've seen young entrepreneurs who graduated college and launch startups that have more IQ and experience than many of us. They discover an idea, pull together investors, build the product, launch it, all the time growing their investor base. Those startups that succeed, and I've seen many that do, help grow the economy. One startup I was involved with was created by three young men and now employees over 100 employees, mostly tech. They're in their fourth location and will outgrow it in a year.
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So, who has a higher IQ? Them or the hypothetical plumber? Quite frankly, does it matter? Your question is merely an attempt to bait and switch. You want to portray your "Cajun Army" as better, the plumber as better, any number of the Trump demographic as better. I will say this. When those people can't even get issues correct, I have a BIG problem with their IQ. When their president blames Canada for burning the WH and they back him without researching, I have a problem.

Posted 15 June 2018, 5:51 p.m. Suggest removal

Packman says...

Hey WWD - Moron. Pay attention. I challenged Pop to prove she's not a snob by admitting the typical Trump voter isn't " uneducated".
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Hey RBear - Let me put it to you this way: As a conservative I don't believe I'm smarter than anyone else and that some of the most properly educated people are also some of the dumbest. I also have the utmost respect for blue collar workers and people that work hard for a living even those with only a high school education. As a lib you you believe you are smarter and better than anyone that has the audacity to disagree with you politically. Any questions?

Posted 15 June 2018, 7:56 p.m. Suggest removal

mozarky2 says...

I think the best way to portray the conservative/libertarian demographic is, hey, we're in power now and you people aren't.
We're large, in charge. Get over it.
You "progressive" pantywaists no longer have a say in matters. The Normal Americans will take it from here, thank you.
You want to stop the Trump Miracle economy in it's tracks? You gotta go through us first.
You wanna open the borders to a bunch of uneducated illegals who'll start sucking on the American teat on arrival? Again, not without our permission.
You wanna illegally void the 2016 election through any means necessary? Better bring your toothbrush and be prepared to meet your new roommate, Bubba.
You wanna strip law-abiding Americans of the means to protect ourselves and our families from the criminal activity that YOU helped create? I would love to hear how you propose to do that...

Posted 15 June 2018, 9:57 p.m. Suggest removal

ARMNAR says...

LOL. Trump isn't the only one descending into madness. This is fun to witness!

Posted 16 June 2018, 12:33 a.m. Suggest removal

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