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Judge overturns state's adoption law

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Pulaski County Circuit Judge Chris Piazza presides over an arraignment in January 2009.

A Pulaski County circuit judge has overturned Arkansas’ law banning unmarried couples living together from adopting or fostering children.

Circuit Judge Chris Piazza said Initiated Act One, passed by voters in 2008, constituted an unwarranted invasion of privacy. The law effectively banned gays from adopting or fostering children because they are unable to legally marry in Arkansas.

He said in his two-page ruling that people in “non-marital relationships” are forced to choose between becoming a parent and sustaining that relationship. Piazza wrote that the act was "especially troubling" in how it singled out the "politically unpopular group."

“Due process and equal protection are not hollow words without substance,” he said. “They are rights enumerated in our constitution that must not be construed in such a way as to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people.”

Piazza agreed with claims by families who said the ban lessened the number of available adoptive and foster parents to the point where thousands of children could go without homes.

He said the ban cast “an unreasonably broad net” and did not serve the state’s interest.

The act was passed after the state Supreme Court ruled that the Child Welfare Agency Review Board exceeded its authority by approving a regulation banning homosexuals from serving as foster parents. The court ruled in DHS v. Howard that the regulation was based upon morality and bias.

The American Civil Liberties Union then sued the state in December 2008 on behalf of a group of families seeking to overturn the ban.

Read tomorrow's Arkansas Democrat-Gazette for full details.

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Comments

DontDrinkDatKoolAid says...

Now children have more of a chance of having a real home.
This judge should go tho the Supreme Court!!!! He knows how to read the Constitution.

Posted 16 April 2010, 3:43 p.m. Suggest removal

BryanM67 says...

I have to disagree. When Act 1 was passed by the votes, in effect the Constitution was amended. How does a judge not only overturn the will of the people but also declare that part of the Constitution is now unconstitutional?

If someone feels this is unjust, the proper way to undo it is through the ballot box.

Posted 16 April 2010, 3:48 p.m. Suggest removal

MissingJohn says...

The United States Constitution wasn't amended, Bryan, and a state cannot overrule our Federal Constitution. Voters cannot change that, only Congress can, and hopefully they will continue to have enough sense not to allow such an idiot law to take place on the federal level

Posted 16 April 2010, 3:52 p.m. Suggest removal

ARAgitator says...

In ARKANSAS? Surely you jest. This state is in the pocket of the Religionists - Jerry Cocks and His Band of Bigots will not STAND for this. Just because most people need to feel superior, and the only "fair game" in 2010 is GLBT CITIZENS, that's their target. This "ban" has NOTHING to do with what's best for children, and everything to do with unjust discrimination based on the fundamentalist's warped view of the Bible - to which they are COMPLETELY entitled AND has NO place in public policy. Their champion "expert," Paul Cameron has been kicked out of every professional society that he's attempted to join; he's a fraud AND is as gay as a $3 bill himself. His "expertise" is based entirely upon self-hatred and the low-information folks who go along with Cocks & Co. Look around the world and see that the ONLY places crap like this exists is in Religionist-dominated societies. This crap will be looked upon by our rising grandchildren as "did these people have a BRAIN?"

Posted 16 April 2010, 3:59 p.m. Suggest removal

ARAgitator says...

...and KUDOS to Maddjack for not parroting the usual "conservative" drivel on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted 16 April 2010, 4:03 p.m. Suggest removal

arkienanna says...

As a Christian and a mother, I am thrilled to see that our great state may now be on the way to correcting this terrible decision that has denied loving homes to those who need them most.

Posted 16 April 2010, 4:07 p.m. Suggest removal

Salinelawyer says...

Judge Piazza has always been fair and followed the law when I have been in front of him. That doesn't mean I have always benefited from him doing so. However, I will never complain when a judge does exactly what he was elected to do. I am not surprised to see that he maintained his trust/belief in the law and was not swayed by the publicity surrounding this issue. Thank you Judge Piazza.

Posted 16 April 2010, 4:23 p.m. Suggest removal

ALoweRoland says...

It's a good day to be an Arkansan. Thank you, Judge Piazza!

Posted 16 April 2010, 4:26 p.m. Suggest removal

3061 says...

I agree that we need to let the gay community adopt kids, it cannot be any worse than the straight pedophiles! We must realize that we can do whatever we want to as long as it is liberal enough!

Posted 16 April 2010, 4:27 p.m. Suggest removal

ToTheLeft says...

Good for the judge!

Posted 16 April 2010, 4:30 p.m. Suggest removal

mrprincipal03_yahoo-com says...

The "proper" way is to have the decision adjudicated on it's merits. That would be the State Supreme Court.

I knew when this ballot initiative first surfaced that it would be challenged and was probably unconstitutional.

Opinions are fine, they are even better when backed up by valid, factual information within the context of the issue being discussed.

Posted 16 April 2010, 4:40 p.m. Suggest removal

AdvocateforFosterKids says...

Don't fool yourselves - there are already all kinds of things that keep people from fostering or adopting: if you have more than three children under the age of 6 you can't foster more or adopt more in that age range; if you live on the second floor of an apartment and don't have two exits, you can't foster or adopt; if you don't have a landline telephone you cannot foster or adopt - the list goes on.

This law applied to ALL cohabiting adults - not just gays and lesbians. If you do some research, you will see that most children who are abused are abused by the "live-in boyfriend" of a woman with small children. This law was protecting children from that situation as well. These kids have had enough upheaval in their lives without being put in another situation of instability.

This is not necessarily a political thing, as everyone seems to make it. It is to protect children, not the "rights" of people to adopt them. One focuses on the "needs" of adults, and the other focuses on the needs and what is best for the child.

That being said, if more Christian singles (non-cohabiting) and couples would come forward, this wouldn't even be a debate because the best families could be selected for a given child. I hope this is a wake-up call to the Christian community that if we don't stand in the gap for these kids, others will.

Posted 16 April 2010, 4:47 p.m. Suggest removal

DontDrinkDatKoolAid says...

Whats being or not being a christian will it matter for a child to be, {I hate using this word} "placed" into a safe and stable home, a home to grow up in...? This ruling now gives children more hope than just christian s.
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ARA you kill me! Hahahaha! I love you too! Hahahaha!!!!
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Thanks MissingJohn for the support....and all those that understand the needs of children...their not kids, they are children.

Posted 16 April 2010, 5:11 p.m. Suggest removal

Bambic says...

This is the best news I have heard in a long, long time. Kudos, Judge.

Posted 16 April 2010, 5:27 p.m. Suggest removal

DontDrinkDatKoolAid says...

I got one dumb question, what moron allowed this now out dated law to become law to begin with?

Posted 16 April 2010, 5:59 p.m. Suggest removal

NickieD says...

"The will of the people..." well Brayn, there is nothing in any Consitution in America that bans gay people from anything.
If it became the will of the people to skin everyone named Bryan, you would probably not like that... so it is with the gay folks, they are just people too. Once you get that through your bibble brain you will be much happier and well adjusted.
Now we need to make it illegal to addopt outside of the US and try to get the over 35 million kids in orphanages in the US into good homes. By the way, that number includes children who have been sexually abused by parents and friends of parents, beaten kids, kids dropped in dumpsters and dropped off at churches and other collection points. Handicapped, both mentally and physically too. That number does not include the over 500,000 (mostly murdered and sold) who disappear each year.
The point is, as I have said many times before, many unwanted American children are warehoused ready for somebody to love them, yet unthinking cruel people go to foreign countries to adopt. We don't need more new children, we need to deal with the ones who are here, now. The Duggers (a totally disgusting group) and the Octo-Mom (who actually has 14 kids and no visiable means of support or even a husband) are typical examples of people who are inconsiderate beyond even the normal Arkansas standard of bibblicel bigotry.
Google up the "unwanted children in America" and see this horror story for yourself.
This country needs to:
First; offer 2 children tax deductions only for tax purposes.
Second; amend welfare rules so that only 2 children will be supported on tax dollars. Make Birth control and abortions free and available.
Third; pass a law prohibiting the adoption of foreign children until every single child in America has a loving home.
Fourth; make any kind of child molestation BY ANYONE (even a holy Religionist) a capital crime.
I don't just bitch, I offer solutions.

Posted 16 April 2010, 6:06 p.m. Suggest removal

DontDrinkDatKoolAid says...

That is how said it was Constitutional to be placed on the ballot

Posted 16 April 2010, 6:09 p.m. Suggest removal

NickieD says...

If the need for families for these kids was not so desperate, I'd say why Christian families at all? Why teach kids a reliance on the supernatural anyway.. though Christians are better than nothing, they are not better, Mr AdvforFostKids!

Posted 16 April 2010, 6:14 p.m. Suggest removal

ARAgitator says...

"This is not necessarily a political thing, as everyone seems to make it." --Advocate, above.

You must not be from Arkansas - this was/is 100% political!! When his previous attempt was thrown out, he upped the ante from gays/lesbians to "cohabiting." THAT was simply a POLITICAL ploy to get around the Constitution! I call BS on most of what you said, because the "system" needs to investigate the foster applicants and follow-up on all these children, not eliminate certain groups. To say "this class" of potential parents is OK, but "that class" is not isn't just unworkable, it's - HELLO ... un-Constitutional!! You cannot be serious in stating that making the pool of potential care-givers SMALLER is a good thing when the system is overflowing with children with NO home. Wake up. We know a number of gay/lesbian parents, some single some in relationships. They are NO different in terms of parenting skills from us or you.

Cocks' next step would have been to attempt to TAKE AWAY the children who are already in gay/lesbian homes, guaranteed! Now he'll use the low-information "Christian Taliban" Arkansans to raise Mo Money to support his tilting at windmills - it's about the do-re-mi, and hating on GLBT CITIZENS, NOT about "protecting" children.

Posted 16 April 2010, 6:34 p.m. Suggest removal

kcjenkins says...

I don't have a problem with a committed stable gay couple adopting, but I do have a problem with uncommitted couples of any sex adopting, because the children are the ones who end up suffering. And that business about blocking foreign adoptions is total BS. Most of all the parents who adopt overseas would have preferred to adopt here, but were not able to find a child here. Because our laws are so determined to try to "keep families together" that we will not sever the parental rights even of a parent that seriously injured their own child, so the vast number of children in foster care are not available to adopt. That is simple fact, but as long as the rights of the parent are put above the needs of the child, it will continue to be a problem. I've known several families who adopted overseas, after trying for years to find a child here. One single woman adopted a child from India with spina bifida, after she was turned down seven times here. She had a loving heart, financial security, and was willing to take a child with problems, but still was not able to find a child here. That is the part we need to fix.

Posted 16 April 2010, 7:04 p.m. Suggest removal

ARAgitator says...

GOOD stuff, kc!!! We know parents as you've just described who adopted outside the country because they felt FORCED to by our bad system.

Posted 16 April 2010, 7:24 p.m. Suggest removal

NickieD says...

A broken system that "forces" people to adopt out of country needs to be fixed! Out of country adoption is completely unacceptable. Fix the system, don't go around it by bringing more children into the country.

Posted 16 April 2010, 7:33 p.m. Suggest removal

quiet4us2 says...

First how can we get rid of this nut ? Second...gays should not be allowed to adopt. They have a disease. It's called homosexuality. There's only 1 cure...God. Children being raised in that type of horrible lifestyle may grow up thinking being gay is "ok".When in fact it could kill them.Here on earth it would be aids. And no heavenly life if not forgiven. Don't do this to an innocent child. Think of them instead of your own perverted lust. If they pray and repent of their sins they still have time to save themselves from an eternity in Hell. Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. Their lifestyle is right up there alongside pedophiles. These people need to be cured. I pray for them. Now we need them to pray for themselves and ask God to forgive them.

Posted 16 April 2010, 8:41 p.m. Suggest removal

dianeb says...

This horrible law should never have been on the books...thank goodness for this fair ruling! I am proud to be an Arkansan today!!!

Posted 16 April 2010, 8:57 p.m. Suggest removal

ARAgitator says...

"How can we get rid of this nut ?" reveals you to be a hypocrite, and a impenetrable one at that! This isn't about YOU and your warped view of the Bible, it's about "freedom and justice for ALL," as Will Philips a West Fork FIFTH Grader pointed out so well. What do you think gay parents do, anyway? Do you know a single gay person, never mind a parent? Have you spoken to any lately, like the guy who is trying to get Huckabuck to have dinner with him, his partner and their son. Being gay means you have to put up with Neanderthal "thinking" like yours. Being gay is not a sin; being ignorant isn't either, but it probably should be... Your views are anti-American. And willful ignorance is the reason this country is going into the toilet. Disgusting, and you are so PROUD of it... Isn't your kind of pride a sin?

Posted 16 April 2010, 9:06 p.m. Suggest removal

fightingforkids says...

what do you think about dhs keeping grandchildren from g-mom because my husband of 8 years is an illeagal mexican no other reason and the judge agrees

Posted 16 April 2010, 9:22 p.m. Suggest removal

quiet4us2 says...

Argitator...you still have time to ask for forgiveness of your horrible disease. Repent. Ask God to forgive you. You haven't said it outright but it's obvious you live that lifestyle. Get help while you can. I'll pray 4u.

Posted 16 April 2010, 10:07 p.m. Suggest removal

NurseNtraining says...

'Children being raised in that type of horrible lifestyle may grow up thinking being gay is "ok".When in fact it could kill them.Here on earth it would be aids. And no heavenly life if not forgiven. Don't do this to an innocent child.'

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All people Make their OWN choice to become christian a long with other religions.. I grew up and found my own way to church. I know a ton of people who where raise one religion and then changed to a different one during college years.. SO for you to say this make you look ignorant. Religion is a choice, just because someone doesnt share the same views as you, doesnt mean they are horrible. It even talks about in the bible how Jesus would go fellowship with people of other religion and learn about them... Get you facts strait, your making real christians look bad.

As for this law, I am happy about it. There are plenty of people that are not married, either gay or not, that would be a great home for children. Plus, What is marriage now a days anyways? It is so easy to get a divorce, so why shouldnt you be concerned for the children going into married homes also.

Posted 16 April 2010, 10:10 p.m. Suggest removal

RetiredOne says...

Ok, I've followed this story since moving here. My first question, how is this Mr. Cox so influential? I mean, seriously, when he lost his first round against this, he was fully able to re-word this so that direct relatives of children were included to be not able to take care of their own!!! It was also worded so that so many people were confused to the box that they voted for what they thought they were voting against!!!
I commend this judge for his stance on following the LAW, and not being swayed by the "thoughts" of many.
As I would like to be "enlightened" on this individuals "leadership", any "direction" would be appreciated. YES, I am a Christian, and one of my biggest "trials" is bigotry!!! Of ANY FORM!! Sincerely, Jim

Posted 16 April 2010, 10:33 p.m. Suggest removal

Goodman says...

I'm sure there will be many to slam me for my post, but that's of so little concern to me. Reading this thread, it appears so many of the wicked have chosen to write tonight. I do pity you; you are deceived. As a former foster parent who adopted two children, I know the system first-hand. No "Christian" (sorry Arkie Mom) would support such an evil decision. Children should be raised by a married heterosexual couple. It's just moral. Not only that, it just makes good sense. Sodomites cannot breed; they can only recruit. Let us never bring up children in a world that teaches faggotry is right and good. Let us never raise our children in an atmosphere that belittles marriage, i.e. unmarried heterosexuals. This judge is legislating from the bench. The people--57% of them to be exact--voted this into place. I thought the motto around here was "The people rule." Guess the judge will strike that down next. I find it troubling that this judge would choose to go against the majority and side with the sodomites and dogs of this state. May he be repaid by a Higher Authority one day.

Posted 16 April 2010, 10:47 p.m. Suggest removal

Goodman says...

Nurse? Please tell me that's just a name and not a description. Just how stupid can one person be and live? Jesus went and fellowshipped with other religions??? SAY WHAT??? Get YOUR facts straight. Wow, I am ashamed of you.

Posted 16 April 2010, 10:50 p.m. Suggest removal

ARAgitator says...

OK quiet - gotcha!!! THIS proves what a jump-to-conclusion absent FACTS from a Religionist wingnut who can't see the speck in my eye for the beam in her/his!! I am 70 years old, married twice (to women both times!) with 2 children (their mother died after we'd been married over 21 years) and two step-children - all adults now, none of whom are gay or lesbian AND it wouldn't matter a whit if any/all WERE! My wife (of 25 years) is a devout Catholic (a group I suspect you believe to be a cult), who loves her Church and cringes about the "leadership" that is so out-of-touch with their flock, and responsible for unthinkable crimes against children. I am a Christian AND that has absolutely nothing to do with public policy. My wife has a bumper sticker: ":Democrat and Christian - You CAN be both." I am not now, nor have never been a Democrat. I left the R Party when I realized that the "fundamentals" that they espouse are in many cases the OPPOSITE of what they do (see Nixon, Richard; Raygun, Ronald; Bush Lite). I was a Barry Goldwater (who educated himself and supported gay rights!) Republican; todays versions are imposters who couldn't carry his Kleenex.

That you are SO arrogant, pious, overbearing and WRONG - that because I know gay people to be JUST like the rest of us, who are creatures of the God you misrepresent, and haven't "chosen" anything except to be who they are, that I am gay. I know Baptist gays who were tormented their entire childhood KNOWING they were "different" and having to put up with Morons like you, tried to "pray themselves straight" which is impossible (and why Ted Haggard, for example, is a FRAUD!). They seldom truly get over the trauma of their childhood that MANY choose suicide to get away from haters like you and the self-loathing you attempt to put on them!

You answered NONE of my questions because you have no answers, only blind allegiance to your warped view of the Bible, and like most Christian Taliban run away from ANY & ALL "facts" to blindly pursue HATE for those you fear. You are also a fraud, and a truly disturbed one at that. I'll pray for YOU to be able to eject the cement from between your ears. Wanna know anything else about me? Just ask. Try answering my questions and come down from your self-serving pulpit, please. Rational people want to hear something besides narrow fundamentalist soundbites/claptrap - like a FACT or a citation of your claims, etc. Like the total LIES that homosexuality is a "disease," a "lifestyle," a "choice," needs to be "repented" from - ad nauseam! A closed mind is a terrible waste; hopefully you have NO influence over the beliefs of others.

Posted 16 April 2010, 11:13 p.m. Suggest removal

ARAgitator says...

I am still SO PROUD that the overwhelming opinion here is supportive of Judge Piazza's decision - in spite of the know-nothing Religionists who always show up to prove their primary attribute (other than stupidity) is arrogance. Willful ignorance is an abomination unto a civilized, SECULAR society!! The Constitution rules, go back into your churches and YOU repent!

Posted 16 April 2010, 11:22 p.m. Suggest removal

DontDrinkDatKoolAid says...

ARA GOOD WORDS!

Posted 16 April 2010, 11:26 p.m. Suggest removal

ARAgitator says...

(sorry) but before you go, answer this ONE question that you always avoid: What part of "ALL" do you not understand? THANKS Jack, same to ya'!! ;>) In this we are a perfect example of what should be the tool of choice in all matters of public policy: Let's start with what we can AGREE on, and go from there.

Posted 16 April 2010, 11:31 p.m. Suggest removal

ladybabybud says...

This day and time there are people that make choices that makes them happy. Everybody doesn't do like others. There are gay, lisso, and then their are people that just want to live together, some have raised their own, but then there are women and some men that can not have children, but everyone has love to give and just because they decided to live different the DHS says they are unfit. I'm a single lady that was not able to have children. If I wanted to share my love with a child and have a live in boyfriend, OH DHS would have a cow. Boyfriend would have to move out, even if his was part of the finances that payed to keep his family a float. Children need both man and man, women and women, even if it was man and women not married. This law was really stupid, when most children are abused in all kinds of homes,(their own homes). But their are people in this country would do anything to share their love with children that have no homes or no safe place to go to, but DHS and goverment think that they are right, about USA kids, But when Americans decide to go to another country to bring kids from other counrties, (knowing that each child might have problems), But when they get tired of putting up with these troubled children, they just send them back where they came from, the child is still part of a family and they just get thrown out in to the streets where they came from. But Children in the USA, are from the country that someone wanting to adopted, but american children seem like their not as important as overseas children. All children have problems and Americans should take care of their own before they try to take care of other countries. I thought each to his own, and if you live in a country that the goverment uses their money for the kids and want think twice, to go buy stuff for their families and kids on the streets, doing what ever they can to just live. Those countries like that need to be on the begging streets to see how long they would last.

Posted 17 April 2010, 12:06 a.m. Suggest removal

LivingColor says...

The "will of the people" is that the Constitution gives us liberties that do not depend on the opinion of the majority or the minority. This law burdened those fundamental rights - of adults and of children -more than would be necessary to protect kids. It is unconstitutional, whether a majority likes it or not. That's why we have a constitution - to protect from the tyranny of the majority, see?

If you don't want your kids adopted by a gay person, then leave them to someone else, but don't tell me how to raise my kids or who should raise them should something happen to me. If I want my brother and his girlfriend to raise them, or my brother and his husband to raise them, that's between me, my family, my God, and a judge who'll make sure they are fine potential parents. The Family Council and its ilk has no business telling me what to do with my kids or telling kids who need homes what is best for them - they aren't experts on child welfare - they're experts on their own opinions and that's all they are experts on. They can have their, but they can't force them on my by limiting my rights.

Yes there are restrictions on adoption and foster care, but even someone who has contributed to the delinquency of a minor can foster or adopt in this state. People convicted of other crimes can foster and adopt. This ban was against people who have done nothing wrong under the law. It made no sense whatsoever.

This law didn't mean kids would have Ward and June Cleaver instead of Adam and Steve - it meant kids would have no home instead of a good home with people who are not married or cannot marry in this state. Hatred like that shown by the Family Council gives religion a bad name and they need to stop trying to come between kids and families who will care for them, and in particular, trying to invoke God to justify what they do.

Posted 17 April 2010, 12:20 a.m. Suggest removal

humble says...

Hate in the name of God. This is not something new. Its been going on forever.

Posted 17 April 2010, 1:49 p.m. Suggest removal

AlvinL says...

Here we go again. The real problem with quiet4us2 and goodman is that you are so narrow minded bigots full of hatred, you can't see past your own nose! Quite4us2 needs to repent of their hatred and bigtory. No one with that much hate will ever enter Heaven. You can not love some one you can't see and hate someone you can see.....Being gay is not somehting one can repent of. It's how we are! But on the other hand hatred and bigotry is learned! There are children that needs a loving ome. It's bigots like you that "are"the problem. You would rather that all children be in a facitiy than a loving home. We know with all you hatred and bigotry, no child could get it in your home. You and your attitude needs to be "cured" of its hatred and bigotry. You talk about repentance, until you REPENT and CHANGE, the only prayers that God will hear is one of YOUR repentance, no others will get thru until YOU REPENT! Goodman this goes for you too, We are not the sick ones. So, by some logic(and I use the term very spareingly here) if a spouse dies, then their child should be placed somewhere else, becase the surviving parent can not raise a child, because they are now a sibgle parent? Think about, you can't have it both ways The truth is, single people and gay people CAN and DO make great parents! It has always amazed me how narrow minded people can be, by reading some of the comments, it proves that fact. We need to take care of the children first, same rules should apply to all. But it is those narrow mindful, hateful, bigots that ARE the problem! I have been a signle parent, and its hard work, but every child does not necessarily have to be in a heterosexual "marrieda" home. Somewhere, these narrow minded, hatful bigots need to stop so many divorces! Some people don't need to reproduce!

Posted 17 April 2010, 6:20 p.m. Suggest removal

kinggeorge says...

If being a practicing homo is respectable and perfectly ok, why do you suppose Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed? And when you read that account of those who practiced sodomy and perversion, be intellectually honest and explain it. Neither Christians nor anyone else made rules about moral conduct...God did. To disagree with the Sovereign King and creator of the Universe is to spit in His face. And those who defy His rules and justify their life style by ignoring the truth or denying His authority to set the rules of conduct are putting themselves in serious jeapordy. I personally do not want to experience an eternal burning in a hell that is prepared for you people who choose a life style that is abhorrent to God who made you. And don't say you were made that way...everyone is capable of violating every rule, commandment, or law that has ever been written, but not everyone chooses to do so.

Posted 17 April 2010, 8:47 p.m. Suggest removal

AlvinL says...

God made us all. We are not spitting in His face as you say. He made us.This is where one needs to rightly interept the scriptures. If you take a literal interpretation, then our democracy is unscriptual. The New Testament says " honor the king" so we should only have a king? then there is rendering unto Caesar what is due him, so which is it now king or caesar? You need to rightly interept what is reallly said there.
There are a lot of contrdictory statments in the Bible. That is where you should interpt it correctly. and your bigotry and hatred is not in God's plan. YOu are putting yourself in serious jeapody by judging others. Our life style as you call it is not abhorrent to God. God is love and He designed all of us. I was born gay. It was not a choice, but the way me and many others were. God designed us that way.

Posted 17 April 2010, 11:43 p.m. Suggest removal

NickieD says...

Well, here we go....
The lunatic Fundamentalists are at their keyboards again.
With all due respect for ARA, Alvin and other tolerant Religionists, I'm a real non-believer.
Quiet; MrD & Nurse represent the very worst things about religion, which is a reinforcing circle of stupidity, in which any fact contrary to the myth they believe, is ignored and kept out.
Quiet, you are so ignorant, misguided and fearful (of perhaps being gay yourself?), I almost feel sorry for you. But I don't. Your thought processes have been used by religious leaders to pass laws and persecute anyone they feared or envied for centuries. Organized Religion is dangerous because it ends up "brain cleansing" the inside of your skull, putting a nice story in and reducing any possibility of you ever being able to consider you might be wrong in some of your ideas... just some.
And MrD, please don't drag your Holy Book of Myths into this... there is nothing in your bibble that encourages you to kill or persecute anyone in your god's name. As a matter of fact, there is nothing in your bibble that you can quote, that is born out in any historical records except the fact there were Hebrews in the Mid-east 2 K years ago.
No one has to BE gay to accept the fact that gay folks exist. Fearing their strange rituals, where it is a known fact they eat their own young, (which is why they always need to adopt), is just plain silly as long as you don't put your own kids up for adoption.
The real solution to all this is reduce the overpopulation of this planet, beginning with a policy in the US of limiting through non-support, the number of children being born. Oh, I know that is in direct violation to Catholic Doctrine, Fundamentalists and bleeding hearts of every stripe, but it is a viable option to reduce the number of unwanted children in America. Making birth control and abortion (not as a method of birth control, but as an option to unwanted pregnancies ending with more unwanted children) freely available will help this country eventually. This isn't Sarah Palin's gas chambers and murder, it is a reasonable solution to a very big and serious problem facing this country. We have a lot of people, few jobs and dwindling resources. Rationally, logically, (I know Religionists hate to use reason & logic, though they should try it sometime), what is the best course? It will become impossible to continue to support an ever growing population, probably sooner than we know.

Posted 18 April 2010, 12:47 p.m. Suggest removal

NickieD says...

"Goodman": now there is a oxymoron! You and Quiet share the same lack of thought, understanding and facts. Yes facts, you ma-roons! Gay people do not choose to be gay, only a non-reader/thinker could believe something so stupid and ignorant. Poor Nurse, even as she agrees with you, she is just not Religious enough, hateful enough, rigid enough for you, though she seems every bit as stupid as you two are.
Good Christians like you are the reason I know there is no god, because if The Big Man was there he'd step out of his hiding place and squash you like the bug you are. No real loving god could tolerate someone as stupid as you are or could endure your kind of ignorance, except the Old Test god of revenge, hatred, jealousy and, well... let's face it, insanity.
Folks like you must be an embarrassment to the other almost rational Believers, but you tight-asses always warm the cockles of my heart by being so narrow minded and just plain out of touch with everything... science, psychology, bathroom manners. Please, I pray thee, continue to lecture me in the true ways of your lard and master and his hatered of all you are so afraid of.

Posted 18 April 2010, 7:32 p.m. Suggest removal

johnwmcmaster says...

Well, things never change. Yes, God loves gays. He just don't love the way they have sex and it is all about SEX.

Posted 19 April 2010, 11:29 a.m. Suggest removal

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